• CashewNut 🏴󠁢󠁥󠁧󠁿@lemmy.world
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    9 months ago

    I’m guessing your American? If you try finding a rescue cat for indoors they won’t let you have one. Most cats in the UK and any given by charities are outdoor cats.

    So everyone insisting on one of the other is being very… Annoyingly ignorant!

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      9 months ago

      As an American, I have never seen an animal shelter adoption contract that didn’t have a clause about never letting the cat outside. Obviously there are exceptions for leashes and catios, but you get the idea

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        9 months ago

        It’s the opposite in the UK where the default is outdoor. So you end up with these very passionate online debates between outdoor vs indoor which are ore due to cultural & geographical differences between countries than any real science.

        So it’s akin to a religious war.

          • CashewNut 🏴󠁢󠁥󠁧󠁿@lemmy.world
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            9 months ago

            Which is which? Because I’ve seen some show science for keeping cats indoors but I’ve shared two studies based in the UK that show cats are better outdoors. Like I say it’s based on geography too. As some people have pointed out cats have been a wild species in the UK for millenia. So them being outdoors here isn’t an issue.

            Stop being a dick.

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              You can’t compare the impact of actual native wild cats with the impact of domestic cats. It’s such a huge difference in numbers.
              As you said, some areas have wild cats and the ecosystem is tuned to that. But even in those areas the comparable extremely high numbers of additional predators (domesticated cats) is damaging to the wildlife.

              • CashewNut 🏴󠁢󠁥󠁧󠁿@lemmy.world
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                9 months ago

                The RSPB says outdoor cats aren’t a problem and I linked to a study done by Bristol University in another comment that states they aren’t a problem.

                Feel free to fuck off and read them and stop talking like your rules are universal across the globe.

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                  9 months ago

                  I don’t know where the hostility comes from, but here is a good review article that has a global overview of the impact free-ranging cats have: https://besjournals.onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/10.1002/pan3.10073
                  It calls out several studies from the UK that do highlight the impact of cats on the wildlife.
                  An additional interesting point is chapter 4.4 “The interest of cat owners”:

                  Studies show that many cat owners are opposed to banning the free roaming of domestic cats, although the degree of this opposition varies between countries (Ash & Adams, 2003; Crowley et al., 2019; Lilith et al., 2006; McDonald, Maclean, Evans, & Hodgson, 2015; Thomas et al., 2012). Several UK studies are particularly illustrative. According to Crowley et al. (2019, p. 18), cat owners ‘rarely perceived a strong individual responsibility for preventing or reducing’ predation by their pets. Likewise, McDonald et al. (2015, p. 2751) found that many owners ‘do not accept that cats are harmful’, including owners of highly predatory cats, and moreover found that providing owners with ecological information regarding cats’ wildlife impacts does little or nothing to change their views.

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      9 months ago

      Yeah I only know this viewpoint from posters in the US. In Europe I only know the prevailing notion that keeping cats indoors is cruel and they should be outside. Exceptions for large cities ofc but I only know social pressure to get cats out, not keep them in.

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        9 months ago

        I guess Finland is an exception. Here you’re not supposed to let cats roam free because they could get hurt or die and it would be irresponsible pet ownership. Some still do it ofc.

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      9 months ago

      That’s not true. I have 2 rescue cats currently indoor only and have had more previously. There’s a few rescues I can think of that look for outdoor homes, and a few who are strictly indoor, but most are quite open minded.