• Prunebutt@slrpnk.net
    link
    fedilink
    arrow-up
    5
    arrow-down
    13
    ·
    7 days ago

    I keep reading all this finger pointing from people that actively spoke against voting for Harris.

    I think that’s just your confirmation bias talking

    Maybe those who didn’t vote shouldn’t be allowed to complain.

    I’ll tell all the convicts, LGBTQ children and… every non-US citizen who’s going to suffer through another Trump term.

    • disguy_ovahea@lemmy.world
      link
      fedilink
      arrow-up
      20
      arrow-down
      5
      ·
      edit-2
      7 days ago

      Be realistic. I’m being critical of eligible citizens who chose not to vote.

      Excellent job modeling both gaslighting and a strawman in the same pointless criticism, btw.

      • Prunebutt@slrpnk.net
        link
        fedilink
        arrow-up
        4
        arrow-down
        12
        ·
        7 days ago

        I’m being critical of eligible citizens who chose not to vote.

        That’s not what your overgeneralising comment suggests.

        Excellent job modeling both gaslighting and a strawman in the same pointless criticism, btw.

        I’m not sure you know what these terms mean.

        • disguy_ovahea@lemmy.world
          link
          fedilink
          arrow-up
          6
          arrow-down
          3
          ·
          edit-2
          7 days ago

          Fair point. I’ve edited my initial comment to address abstainers.

          As for my grasp on vocabulary:

          gaslighting: to psychologically manipulate (someone) usually over time so that the victim experiences doubts about their own emotional or mental stability

          Exhibited in your suggestion that conformation bias is clouding my ability to read.

          strawman: an intentionally misrepresented proposition that is set up because it is easier to defeat than an opponent’s real argument.

          Demonstrated by your argument redirecting the focus to those who are ineligible to vote.

          Ready to try again? Although you may have a better chance of convincing someone less literate.

          • Prunebutt@slrpnk.net
            link
            fedilink
            arrow-up
            3
            arrow-down
            7
            ·
            7 days ago

            Exhibited in your suggestion that conformation bias is clouding my ability to read.

            Sorry, that’s not gaslighting. I was suggesting that your confirmation bias makes you cherrypick non-voters among all the people criticizing the Dems. It’s simply absurd to claim that only abstainers criticize the Dems. I did not try to manipulate you.

            Demonstrated by your argument redirecting the focus to those who are ineligible to vote.

            You said that “those who didn’t vote shouldn’t be allowed to complain”. I felt included, since I didn’t -ote, but I’m not a US citizen. Refusing to steelman your point does not equal strawmanning.

            Ready to try again? Although, you may have a better chance of convincing someone less literate.

            I’m trembling, when thinking of your literacy. /s 🙄

            Stop telling me how great your farts smell.

            • disguy_ovahea@lemmy.world
              link
              fedilink
              arrow-up
              7
              arrow-down
              3
              ·
              edit-2
              7 days ago

              I see. So you believe it’s not manipulative to attempt to discredit another’s opinion by repeatedly distracting from their point using well-known bad arguments, all without supporting your own opinion?

              It’s no wonder Trump won.

              • Optional@lemmy.world
                link
                fedilink
                arrow-up
                3
                arrow-down
                1
                ·
                7 days ago

                “I’m not a US citizen”

                This appears to apply to a LOT of people who’re making the tired “democrats suck for losing” comments. It kinda boggles my mind.

                • disguy_ovahea@lemmy.world
                  link
                  fedilink
                  arrow-up
                  4
                  arrow-down
                  1
                  ·
                  7 days ago

                  Right? When I talked with my English, German, and Australian friends they all blamed the voters immediately. “What the fuck are they thinking?!?” was the response.

                  It’s not like the DNC manipulated or obfuscated Harris’s message the way they did Bernie’s in 2016.

                • Prunebutt@slrpnk.net
                  link
                  fedilink
                  arrow-up
                  2
                  ·
                  7 days ago

                  When did I say something like that?

                  Sincethe whole world is dependant on the american empire in some form or another, it’s pretty wild to prohibit non-US citizens to have an opinion on the US election.

                  • Optional@lemmy.world
                    link
                    fedilink
                    arrow-up
                    1
                    ·
                    6 days ago

                    When did I say something like that?

                    Right here.

                    You said that “those who didn’t vote shouldn’t be allowed to complain”. I felt included, since I didn’t -ote, but I’m not a US citizen. Refusing to steelman your point does not equal strawmanning.

                    You’re commenting on the very specific set of social, cultural, organizational, and regional elements that have affected this election, and you have no direct knowlege, or comprehensive knowledge of any of it. Yet here you are feeling really strongly about it.

                    That’s fine in that it’s not illegal or anything - hey, let your freak flag fly, but - I just find it strange. As a stupid American, if I were to feel really strongly about LiverpoolFC’s lineup or strategies, you’d expect I knew a lot about football but I don’t - yet here I am telling them Diogo Jota’s injury is going to plague them the rest of the season and they’re complete idiots for not working to replace him right now when it could make a damned bit of difference. And I don’t watch football.

              • Prunebutt@slrpnk.net
                link
                fedilink
                arrow-up
                2
                arrow-down
                6
                ·
                edit-2
                7 days ago

                Now that’s what I call a strawman!

                Edit: … wait, actually, it’s not. Your “argument” doesn’t even parse.

                  • Prunebutt@slrpnk.net
                    link
                    fedilink
                    arrow-up
                    2
                    arrow-down
                    6
                    ·
                    7 days ago

                    Lol… ok, Mr./Mrs. “Telling me I’m cherry-picking information and succeptible to confirmation bias (like everyone else is) is literally gaslighting”. /s