• davidagain@lemmy.world
    37·
    7 days ago

    Shout at religious leaders for making up rules for others to follow, particularly if they don’t follow them themselves, but just generally, too.

    Shout at people using places of worship as a money making scheme, and drive them out with the threat of physical violence.

    Remind people that they should be particularly careful to help out poor people and foreigners.

    Remind people to act in love. Not “tough love” that doesn’t help, not walking by doing nothing because you’re busy, but spending your own money to help someone in need, even if your country sees them as enemies.

    Treat people who society codemns for their sexual behaviour with humanity and point out to the ones doing the condemning that they’re not as pure as they like to think they are and they have no right to condemn others.

    Teach people to forgive others who’ve wronged them and turn the other cheek if they’re hit.

    Tell rich folk they should give away their money to poor folk.

    Imagine if religious leaders and government leaders and people generally actually did this stuff.

  • Catoblepas@lemmy.blahaj.zone
    40·
    7 days ago

    Tell rich people and those that hate immigrants, prisoners, and the homeless that they’re going straight to hell.

    Then maybe curse a fig tree.

  • Broken_Orange_Juice@lemmy.world
    127·
    7 days ago

    I’m here to take the religious meme too seriously.

    I’m 100% all with preaching equality, and just as much with helping out your local sex workers (not buying their… services. You know what I mean by “helping out”). But Jesus did not incite anarchism, quite the opposite. He asks us to obey the laws, whether they’re Godly or otherwise (as long as they don’t go against the laws of Christ, as is demonstrated in the book of Daniel). Without the very human traffic laws that God didn’t find important to discuss in the Bible, there would be actual anarchy, and coming from a country that is without traffic law enforcement, I can tell you, no Christian would vouch for this.

    Other things Christ would love for you to do this Christmas (or any day of the year). Pass out food to homeless people, better yet, get to know one and invite them over for a meal in a warm home with good company and social support. Regardless of your views, support a kid who’s a member from the LGBTQ+ community who might be rejected by their parents. If you’re an employer, reach out to any employees who live far from family and invite them over for some baked goods, a meal, and some good conversation and fun. If you’re a student (like myself), reach out and setup a mini potluck where everyone brings something.

    Christ didn’t ask that we hate anyone. Christ asks to spread love, and with the cold weather and festive spirits, there is plenty of room to spread love.

    • Prunebutt@slrpnk.net
      122·
      7 days ago

      As OP said: you have a wrong understanding what anarchism means. No big deal, it’s a very misunderstood ideology. But since you’re the kind of person who likes to write a few paragraphs on how a religious meme is wrong: You might be interested in what anarchism stands for. You’ll find it’s quite compatible with Jesus’s teachings

      He asks us to obey the laws, whether they’re Godly or otherwise

      He said to give the emperor what’s his and god what’s his. Clearly he meant giving up the colonizer’s monetary system and live in harmony with your brothers and sisters, which is honoring god.

      Other things Christ would love for you to do this Christmas (or any day of the year). Pass out food to homeless people, better yet, get to know one and invite them over for a meal in a warm home with good company and social support. Regardless of your views, support a kid who’s a member from the LGBTQ+ community who might be rejected by their parents.

      That’s literally what anarchists mean by mutual aid.

      • Broken_Orange_Juice@lemmy.world
        6·
        7 days ago

        Thanks for the link, seems like an interesting read. Anarchism is severely misrepresented by the media, I knew it wasn’t exactly the Purge but I always imagined it as such. Do you have any interesting fiction books in mind that represent anarchism well? Something along the lines of 1984 and that type of book.

      • jwiggler@sh.itjust.worksEnglish
        2·
        7 days ago

        I’m going to play devil’s advocate here, but I want to preface this by saying I’ve just spent the last several months absolutely feasting on Kropotkin, Bertrand Russel, Leguin, Chomsky, and Graeber, and generally learning about anarchism as an ideology. I think anarchism is really the only political ideology that actually makes sense of the political and economic upheavals of the last 200 years (rather than say, Capitalism vs Communism, Democracy vs Authority), and it reconciles a lot of issues that people on the right have about people on the left and vise versa.

        But one of the issues with anarchism is that it was only popularized as a legitimate political ideology around Bakunin’s time – ~1850s. When proponents like yours and myself and OP (I think Chomsky also described it like this) describe anarchism, it’s through the groundwork laid by those who popularized it in the 19th century.

        When I learned about things like mutual aid and non-coercive participation, I thought “Wow, anarchism is so misunderstood. It seems the definition has really gotten away from us, similar to the definition of communism,” but then I listened to Plato’s The Republic and Aristotle’s Nicomachean Ethics, and they actually use anarchism with the negative connotation that it still has today! I can’t quote verbatim, but they say things like “If X happens, society will fall into anarchy,” like it is synonymous with chaos.

        So I guess my point is that we have a more fleshed out definition of anarchism due to the thinkers of the 19th century, but the classical idea of anarchism (ie chaos) still persists. In that sense, I don’t think the OP really misunderstands it, but hasn’t been exposed to what anarchism means as a political ideology outside the classical definition that really is just a synonym for chaos.

        Edit: Some of my details are wrong. Anarchism gained traction in Western political thought during the 18th century. Bakunin was an influential figure, but he was preceded by others, such as Proudhon. This is just from reading the wikipedia page. Still, I think its understandable why people still attach anarchism with chaos, because we have philosophers like Socrates and Aristotle (at least in English translations, but then again, the word “anarchism” is derived from Ancient Greek, anyway) using the word in that way.

        • Prunebutt@slrpnk.net
          4·
          7 days ago

          We don’t use the opinions of Aristotle or Plato to reference other contemporary political systems. While what you say might be true: it’s still very convenient for those currently in power to maintain this wrong/anachronistic definition of anarchy/anarchism.

          • jwiggler@sh.itjust.worksEnglish
            2·
            7 days ago

            Hmm…I have to think about your first statement. I agree to the extent in that our modern political systems are more derived from Roman republic rather than Athenian democracy. Still, I guess my point was that there was a classical idea of anarchism before the thinkers of the 18th and 19th centuries, and I don’t blame people for retaining the negative connotation. Especially because, like you said, that idea is apt to be perpetuated by the ruling class.

            When I was reading Chomsky and Graeber, I kinda dismissed them at first because I was a liberal and “anarchism bad.” Nobody is really being called an idiot here, which is great, but I’m happy I had a chance to learn more about it before I went online and made a fool of myself.

            Edit: Honestly I’m reading my comment over and I think I’m splitting hairs/being pedantic about “misunderstanding” anarchism. But I’m happy that in your response to them you’ve been completely kind and understanding to them

    • barsquid@lemmy.world
      5·
      6 days ago

      The only thing illegal in that meme is whipping politicians. But that is a reference to when Jesus braided a whip and beat the shit out of some merchants while flipping tables.

      The meme is taking religion seriously. If Jesus didn’t want us to whip capitalists or flip tables of their merchandise (politicians) he wouldn’t have done so himself.

  • hash@slrpnk.netEnglish
    4·
    7 days ago

    Christmas isn’t soon enough. What can I do for halloween and thanksgiving?

    • egrets@lemmy.world
      6·
      7 days ago

      “Politician” is using a bit of license, but the reference is to Jesus discovering the temple in Jerusalem was being used as a market. John 2 is the only account that includes a whip:

      When it was almost time for the Jewish Passover, Jesus went up to Jerusalem. In the temple courts he found people selling cattle, sheep and doves, and others sitting at tables exchanging money. So he made a whip out of cords, and drove all from the temple courts, both sheep and cattle; he scattered the coins of the money changers and overturned their tables. To those who sold doves he said, “Get these out of here! Stop turning my Father’s house into a market!”