I’m sure this won’t end up just like the GOP immigrant caravans of ms-13 and disappear right after the election.
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While I don’t disagree that the issue is used hypocritically, Israel’s genocide has been going on a long damn time at this point.
I agree on that.
I’m not speaking to the underlying principles, but how this is being used as this election’s migrant caravan emergency that’s the only thing we can think about this close to the election, but will vanish again in mid-november.
I’ve had many .mls explain why Gaza is innocent and letting America support genocide is intolerable, but Ukraine should have surrendered to Russia to preserve the peace.
There’s princjple, then there’s obvious astroturfing.
Yeah, it would be much more accurate to flip the two as centrists and right wing people have ignored Israel’s countless crimes against humanity for 75 years!
So have many pounding it now. It’s not any more genocide than it was for the last 20 to 40 years. It’s definitely kicked up a notch. But always been genocide. Seeing so many on the “left” pop up as single issue voters around it in the last year. Is good but specious. Seeing how many of them claim to want to pull Democrats to their side, but not Republicans. Is suspicious. And those aiming to enable the worst actors because Democrats aren’t dropping everything to give them everything they desire. Downright sinister. And not to be enabled or normalized.
I don’t disagree that compromising on genocide etc should ever be an acceptable situation. But it is the situation were sadly in. That so many would claim to want to stop the genocide, while glibly hand waving away any improvement to the conditions. That aren’t perfect, complete, or pure in their eyes. It’s unconscionable. Childishly screeching at any that disagree with or point out flaws in their claims or views. As blue maga or genocide enablers. Make no mistake that they are nearly as much a roadblock to solutions as those actually championing the genocide.
Lots of people talk big. Claiming that they have the solution. That it’s easy. That they only need to do this one trick. That’s how you know they’re full of shit.
It’s not any more genocide than it was for the last 20 to 40 years. It’s definitely kicked up a notch. But always been genocide
Try 75 years.
Anyways, it’s always been a taboo subject. Before the last year’s atrocities, any criticism of Israel was outside of the Overton window and as such nobody would listen.
Some of us have been complaining to deaf ears for decades.
That more people are speaking up now isn’t because people only just started caring. It’s because it wasn’t socially acceptable before and as such people held back for fear of being ostracized by their peers.
Seeing how many of them claim to want to pull Democrats to their side, but not Republicans. Is suspicious.
Because Republicans are impossible to convince. No use wasting time trying to persuade those that DEFINITELY won’t listen.
Conversely, some Democrats MIGHT listen, so those are the ones you have to appeal to.
And those aiming to enable the worst actors because Democrats aren’t dropping everything to give them everything they desire.
That’s a ridiculous strawman. Maybe an infinitesimal number if people do that, but even then it’s purely rhetorical in most cases.
It’s a classic case of an ad hominem as well. There’s nothing wrong with the claim that you should expect better from the leaders of the party supposed to represent everyone to the left of literal fascism, so instead you attack the people making the claim, inventing sinister intent.
And not to be enabled or normalized.
That’s a really weird argument to make against people no longer willing to accept enabling and normalizing the genocide and countless other crimes against humanity of a fascist apartheid regime.
I don’t disagree that compromising on genocide etc should ever be an acceptable situation
But you still think people should just shut up and meekly accept it because their dissent is inconvenient to you.
That so many would claim to want to stop the genocide, while glibly hand waving away any improvement to the conditions
What fucking improvements? Things in Gaza and now Lebanon are worse than they’ve been for decades and apart from holding back PART of ONE weapons shipment amongst hundreds, the US government has done nothing but Susan Collins scowling at it while INCREASING the usual support in the form of weapons and financial aid.
That aren’t perfect, complete, or pure in their eyes. It’s unconscionable
No, what’s unconscionable is the continued support for Israel. What’s unconscionable is to dismiss all dissent as the sinister machinations of bad actors.
Childishly screeching at any that disagree with or point out flaws in their claims or views
Says the one who’s spent two paragraphs condemning and accusing of nefarious intent those who dare criticize their leaders.
Make no mistake that they are nearly as much a roadblock to solutions as those actually championing the genocide.
You could just as easily be talking about yourself or the leaders you aim to shield from any dissent. If you were, you’d even be right.
Attacking and smearing people you claim to agree with for holding your favorite politicians accountable for their actions isn’t right, though. That IS some Blue MAGA cultlike shit.
Lots of people talk big
Yeah, I’m responding to one right now.
Claiming that they have the solution. That it’s easy. That they only need to do this one trick.
Again with the fucking strawmen. Nobody is saying that it’s easy to break with decades of zionist hegemony of American politics.
That doesn’t mean that doing so isn’t the only morally defensible AND tactically sound course of action.
That’s how you know they’re full of shit.
This you?
Found one!
Not all Republicans are unreachable. The Nazis sure. But that isn’t all of them by a long shot. And BTW, thanks so much for proving my point. Big props.
Not all Republicans are unreachable
False. It’s literally a fascist party. If you vote for the fascist party that thinks Israel should “get the job done”, you don’t consider either a deal breaker and as such can not be reached by reason or appeals to your conscience. You have none left of either.
thanks so much for proving my point.
Right back at you, Dunning Kruger poster child.
Your projection and othering of anyone who disagrees with you that the lives of millions of people aren’t worth advocating for if it’s inconvenient to your leaders is textbook MAGA, whether Blue or not.
What? Initiated by Israel you mean?
Yeah a lot of people are ignoring Russian war crimes and I agree that’s a problem. But I don’t think you really understand what’s happening in Gaza given the meme you made.
I think the hypocrisy is yours.
Hamas no more “initiated” Israel’s genocide than Russia were “provoked” into invading Ukraine.
You don’t have to commit genocide to deal with an act of terrorism. You don’t have to commit genocide to deal with security concerns in your perceived sphere of influence. Neither act had justification, neither act was “initiated” by anyone but the accused governments.
I agree that both genocides are bad, but I disagree on a few points:
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The genocide of Palestinians has been going on since long before October 7. Hamas didn’t initiate it, they just performed a relatively minor act of retaliation which Israel used as an excuse to escalate the genocide.
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For those of us in the west, our own governments are supporting the latter genocide. So of course we’re more outraged about the blood that’s on our own hands (in some sense). I think that Russia should be stopped as well, but not sending weapons in support of a genocide seems like a pretty clear first step we should be taking.
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Israel has been doing this since 1947 tho…
Well this is an awful take
ooof where to begin? literally NOBODY ignored the war in Ukraine. there are no “leftists” that agree with russias war on ukraine. There’s idiots who do.
and “started by hamas”?! really? ignoring the fact that Hamas is literally founded and funded by Israel, they didn’t start the genocide. Israels expansion into the west bank has been going on since 1947.
Half of .ml agree with it, or at least insist surrendering is the logical answer to bring peace.
The levels of willful ignorance
Zionists:
Gaza war, 1 year: 16,456 dead children plus many more buried under the rubble.
I SLEEP
Ukraine war, 3 years: 2,184 dead children
REAL SHIT
I agree this meme is bullshit but you’re comparing two sources that shouldn’t be compared.
Your number for Gaza’s children is from the (hamas run) Gaza health ministry. While your number from Ukraine is from the UN has confirmed.
The Ukrainian government has a much higher estimate for dead children than the UN. And the UN has confirmed far far low children deaths than the gaza health ministry.
You can substitute the UN figures and the issue is the same. I can’t find anything up to date, but feel free to share and I’ll update!
The Gaza Heath Ministry has consistently provided accurate death counts in this and previous conflicts, to the point that their estimates are considered reliable by the US State Department. Only recently, since Israel escalated their genocide on Palestinians, have their figures been called into question because they make Israel look bad (as they should).
