I think we all owe The Marvels an apology…

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      First one was depressing. Awfully depressing. It was poignant and well done but I can’t rewatch it because I have to gear up to be ready for it.

      The second one is a musical. I’m not sure anyone is ready for that after the first one.

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      First film was a great film if it were new IP, but a shit joker batman film. The second film was always likely to be shit, because they were always going for abstract and avant garde artistry without a clear connection to the underlying and far stronger story and IP people are expecting. I’m sure it’s a beautiful film and musical, but it’s dog shit attached to joker.

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        I didn’t even view the first as anything related to Batman. Just a standalone movie to me.

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          That’s what it was supposed to be, a gritty disconnected story about what a more realistic take on a joker would be, don’t think batman or super heroes was supposed to be in either one, not sure where that commenter is coming from.

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            There is Bruce Wayne in the first one. He is the rich guy the main character meets in the public toilets then go stalk at his house.

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                But that’s not the point.

                Batman is a presence. The Wayne’s as a story element, they are supposed to be moral & ethical pillars. Solid truth. Batman does not kill and preserves an ethical truth.

                All while the joker is a shifting description… an unreliable narrator. not a pillar not anything solid or true. The villains can shift and don’t have to hold true to anything. The killing joke is all about the lie and shifting excuses…

                The movie may suck but a shifty joker hasn’t traditionally been the reason.

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              Bruce and Thomas Wayne were in the movies yes, they are part of that universe but it is not a superhero batman film or in that universe which is what I had mentioned

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          I think a lot of the Batman connections were completely unnecessary and felt jarring. There weren’t that many and they were brief but I just wish they weren’t there at all. It’s a great film flaws and all to me.

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        There were people suggesting given the age of Bruce Wayne in Joker, that the Phoenix character probably wasn’t The Joker, merely an inspiration for him. Harley showing up in the sequel would seem to refute this theory.