• kersploosh@lemmy.worldEnglish
    35·
    2 years ago

    This comment thread has veered far from map discussion and is getting ugly. I’m locking it for a while.

    Unlocked.

  • Flyswat@lemmy.dbzer0.comEnglish
    41·
    2 years ago

    This map will go down in the history books when they will speak about the Palestinian Genocide.

    Future generations will ask how we let that happen.

    • teichflamme@lemm.eeEnglish
      6·
      2 years ago

      The current generation isn’t asking lots of questions about Uigurs, Armenians, etc.

      So x for doubt

    • fosforus@sopuli.xyzEnglish
      03·
      2 years ago

      I would bet some amount of money that Palestinians will exist in that area in the year 2043. Hopefully, their state will not, at least in its current form. It’s obviously not a genocide.

  • Therealgoodjanet@lemmy.worldEnglish
    1·
    2 years ago

    Abstain = We’re against a cease fire but we don’t really want to say that out loud, people might think we’re horrible…

  • Drusas@kbin.social
    1·
    2 years ago

    Wherein ‘abstained’ = ‘we want to veto it but fear the political backlash so we’ll leave it to the US’

  • Gigan@lemmy.worldEnglish
    0·
    2 years ago

    I’m surprised Russia voted for the ceasefire. I would expect them to appreciate the distraction.

    • Zorque@kbin.social
      1·
      2 years ago

      They appreciate being seen as opposing the west even more. Especially when it comes to toothless UN resolutions.

      • ArxCyberwolf@lemmy.caEnglish
        0·
        2 years ago

        Pretty sure a country that’s committing mass genocide with imperial ambitions who commits daily war crimes and meddles in other countries’ affairs to sow division and distrust is very clearly “the bad guy”. How can you claim otherwise? You can’t “both sides” the Russian invasion of Ukraine.

              • teichflamme@lemm.eeEnglish
                0·
                2 years ago

                That is kinda funny, because the USSR was incredibly racist and you’re still not very welcome in Russia as a person of color.

                You need to research about African decolonization movements back in the 60’s.

                “Despite the widely reported Soviet support for the ANC and otherwise liberation movements, the Soviet Union also engaged in some trade with South Africa during the apartheid era, mostly involving arms and some mineral resources.”

                So, they delivered weapons to the Apartheid regime?

                I’ve seen an interesting article stating this: " Less well appreciated is the role that external authoritarian actors have played in facilitating this deterioration. Russia stands out in this regard. Among other aims, undermining democracy has been a strategic objective of Russia’s Africa policy for the past two decades. " https://africacenter.org/spotlight/russia-interference-undermine-democracy-africa/

  • make -j8@lemmy.worldEnglish
    01·
    2 years ago

    Hamas is surrendering en mass, from military point of view, a ceasefire now is a lost opportunity to bring your enemy to the knees

  • Meowoem@sh.itjust.worksEnglish
    26·
    2 years ago

    So Israel should stop fighting Hamas who openly call for a Jewish genocide and just let them keep trying?

    It’s kinda funny imagining the green countries getting rockets fired at them and groups come in to murder and kidnap innocent civilians then they just shrug and say ‘we aren’t going to fight back because it might look bad’

          • make -j8@lemmy.worldEnglish
            01·
            2 years ago

            tell that to those who openly preaches genocide of jews

            Edit: you guys/gals are hilarious, literally defending an equivalent to Talibans ? lol You de be among the first on the list to be beheaded with blunt rusty scissors, and they d do a little happy dance afterward

      • Meowoem@sh.itjust.worksEnglish
        04·
        2 years ago

        Well a considerable amount of those were literally Hamas fighters, they don’t wait until you’re eighteen to sign you up for jihad lol

        And yes it’s sad that innocent people are always the victim of war, there’s a lot of possible solutions which Hamas and the Palestinians reject so what’s left? Israel just has to sit back and let them keep firing rockets and killing them because they built their tunnels under hospitals?

        Incidentally the kids in the hospitals we heard so much about got taken to Israeli hospitals where they got world-class medical care, if Hamas hadn’t contested the hospital and agreed to safe transit of wounded then this could have happened sooner. It often feels like Hamas want Palestinian kids to die and the IDF want to keep them alive.

        • tryptaminev 🇵🇸 🇺🇦 🇪🇺@feddit.deEnglish
          2·
          2 years ago

          Hamas had 20-25k members before the current war. Israel has dropped more bombs on Gaza than there is Hamas fighters since then.

          So either Israel is lying about its alelged “precision strikes”, or they are precise and deliberate in killing innocent children, women and men, while destroying every civillian infrastructure to kill and drive out all Palestinians from Gaza. Sinc eunfortunately they are militarily capeable it is clear, that the goal is to inflict maximal damage on the Palestinians, with giving just enough plausible deniability to its genocidal friends in the US and its Allies.

          • Meowoem@sh.itjust.worksEnglish
            03·
            2 years ago

            And why do IDF soldiers keep dying and bombs magically fly out of Gaza towards Israel if Hamas don’t pose any threat?

            Sorry that not every munition guarantees an enemy killed, unfortunately fighting terrorists isn’t easy but you’re welcome to go to gaza and deal with Hamas yourself…

    • Honytawk@lemmy.zipEnglish
      21·
      2 years ago

      We don’t like genocides.

      And one side of the conflict isn’t committing them.

      Genocide is much worse than any terrorist action.

      • Meowoem@sh.itjust.worksEnglish
        13·
        2 years ago

        By the definition given in this thread Hamas is absolutely doing genocide, what do you think from the river to the sea means? They openly and proudly state their intention is genocide and their constant attacks kill, harm and distress people - literally textbook by the definition.

        Israel however loudly say they only want to target Hamas the terrorist organisation and they support a two state solution - to call what they’re doing genocide you need to belive this isn’t true, which I accept is possibly a valid argument but does make it much more of a grey area.

        And no the fact that Hamas isn’t able to kill as many Jews as they want due to logistics doesn’t absolve them from anything - especially when crazy people are saying that we shouldn’t support Israel and help them with things like ammunition, really feels like they do like genocide as long as it’s Jewish people dying.