• HelixDab2@lemm.ee
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    4 months ago

    I don’t understand what you’re saying here.

    Impeachment isn’t a criminal process. It’s also not civil. Impeachment is it’s own thing, outside of the judicial system. A prosecutor can’t impanel a grand jury and have the grand jury impeach an elected or appointed official. If Clinton had been both impeached and removed from office, this decision would do nothing to affect that.

    On the other hand, if he had left office, and then had been criminally charged for lying to COngress, while he was sitting as President, and was convicted, then this decision would be unwinding it.

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      4 months ago

      Impeachment is by definition civil. If I can shoot you in the face and get immunity then I can certainly lie to Congress. They’re pretty literally saying it’s absolute immunity.

      “High crimes and misdemeanors” the president is immune to them all now. Criminal, civil, administrative, doesn’t matter with absolute immunity comes absolute power.

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        4 months ago

        It’s not a civil or criminal matter. Impeachment is inherently a political process. This ruling has near-zero bearing on it.

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          4 months ago

          It’s civil the clause even specifically refers to civil officers, it’s a civil process like every other process don’t by the government. There is no such thing as a political process.

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            4 months ago

            It’s not civil because it doesn’t sit in the jurisdiction of a civil court or a court sitting in equity. Stop trying to use technical terms when you clearly have no grasp of their meaning.

            There is such thing as a political process and the doctrine behind it was laid out decades before you were born. If you’d care to learn about the topic there have been countless law review articles written on the subject.

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              4 months ago

              It doesn’t need to be in a court to be a civil matter it just needs to be codified in law and not criminal. I’d say you need to take your own advice.

              There’s simply not, there’s administrative process but literally zero “political process” exists in law in the United States. None.