Wayland and nvidia dont mix. They are going to have a shit time, because some don’t have “non-free” enabled and require editing configuration files. Fresh Mint broke or couldn’t install the “newest” drivers on my friends computer, because of kernel version I assume. After that mess, the games lagged like crazy. Even worse on Wayland.
Installed Endeavour for my friend, because CBA setting up debian and “it just works”. Arch as the first Linux though… What a mess.
Arch is actually reasonable as the foundation of an easy to use Linux OS, provided you don’t care about stability. It’s up to date with all the latest stuff, has support for many apps and packages without having to add extra repos, and it has fantastic documentation. All that’s really missing is the GUI installer and stuff to help newbies. Projects like EndeavorOS and Garuda provide that.
If you actually need stability though, which lots of new users would appreciate, use Fedora or a derivative like Nobara or Universal Blue.
I daily drive Nvidia plus Optimus with wayland, but it’s easy enough to switch back to X11 just using a menu on the login screen.
Glad to hear it hopefully won’t break. I just personally recommend Debian, because it’s the only one I haven’t managed to break. Though now I will ask those interested in switching “Do you have nvidia” first lol.
I’ve tried a few distro’s recently. Pop os, mint, and nobara. Mint was pretty bad (i really wanted it not to be), nobara was good but had issues with sleep and after a month my sound quit working. Pop OS has been flawless and I love that I can set the workspaces hot key to the windows key.
I don’t know the difference between Wayland and X11, all I know is that they’re options, and I’m 30 days into the Arch-derived(is that the right term?) Garuda Linux that defaults Wayland with a 3080 and I haven’t had any problems? Aren’t the Mint problems that it’s a stable distro with outdated stuff?
Fedora is a stable distro because generally the packages stay on the same major version throughout the version, however they have a list of exceptions for certain applications that should be updated for security or perhaps they don’t follow a major/minor/bugfix release and it’s bad practice to hack together your own versions.
Fedora rebases it’s packages every 6 months, so it’s never left far behind.
I see! Thank you for the explanation, I’m still very new as this is my first Linux and I did no planning or intentional research before swapping over, I just got mad at Windows and was formatting my main dive 15 minutes later. I avoided Mint specifically because I’d seen lemmy threads saying it was using old packages on purpose for stability reasons, and that for actual gaming I’d want rolling release?
I have a computer connected to the TV with Chimera installed because that’s SteamOS 3 with emulators preconfigured and is completely couch + controller friendly.
My laptop has Fedora because it’s up to date, but everything is tested before release, and all upgrade paths are automated unlike Arch which burnt me in the past with breaking changes.
On my Pi’s I have Diet Pi, which is Debian but has images for each of the different ARM boards and has a bunch of scripts for setting up print servers, Home Assistant, etc. I want Debian for it’s slow unchanging nature there.
On my desktop, less so.
But underneath they are all Linux, and they all behave in very similar ways, it’s all about the initial setup.
Well, for X11 you either take input lag or horrible screen tearing, worse FPS even if you configure. Wayland just works, but on nvidia you have to do configuration and the information on “where and what exactly” is obscure as hell to a new user. Mint and Endeavour both put the configs automatically in modprobe.d, but distros like Debian don’t.
Screen tearing hasn’t been a serious issue in X11 for years now, unless you run XFCE. It’s just not an issue in Gnome or KDE.
I run Wayland+ optimus and it worked on PopOS just fine. Took a slight bit of tweaking on Universal Blue, but nothing major. Mainly it works with gaming on Bazzite but not Aurora for some bizarre reason. CUDA worked fine in all of the above.
Wayland and nvidia dont mix. They are going to have a shit time, because some don’t have “non-free” enabled and require editing configuration files. Fresh Mint broke or couldn’t install the “newest” drivers on my friends computer, because of kernel version I assume. After that mess, the games lagged like crazy. Even worse on Wayland.
Installed Endeavour for my friend, because CBA setting up debian and “it just works”. Arch as the first Linux though… What a mess.
Arch is actually reasonable as the foundation of an easy to use Linux OS, provided you don’t care about stability. It’s up to date with all the latest stuff, has support for many apps and packages without having to add extra repos, and it has fantastic documentation. All that’s really missing is the GUI installer and stuff to help newbies. Projects like EndeavorOS and Garuda provide that.
If you actually need stability though, which lots of new users would appreciate, use Fedora or a derivative like Nobara or Universal Blue.
I daily drive Nvidia plus Optimus with wayland, but it’s easy enough to switch back to X11 just using a menu on the login screen.
Glad to hear it hopefully won’t break. I just personally recommend Debian, because it’s the only one I haven’t managed to break. Though now I will ask those interested in switching “Do you have nvidia” first lol.
How are you managing to break Linux OSes so much?
I’ve tried a few distro’s recently. Pop os, mint, and nobara. Mint was pretty bad (i really wanted it not to be), nobara was good but had issues with sleep and after a month my sound quit working. Pop OS has been flawless and I love that I can set the workspaces hot key to the windows key.
I don’t know the difference between Wayland and X11, all I know is that they’re options, and I’m 30 days into the Arch-derived(is that the right term?) Garuda Linux that defaults Wayland with a 3080 and I haven’t had any problems? Aren’t the Mint problems that it’s a stable distro with outdated stuff?
Stable has nothing to do with outdated packages.
That’s a personal decision by a distro.
Fedora is a stable distro because generally the packages stay on the same major version throughout the version, however they have a list of exceptions for certain applications that should be updated for security or perhaps they don’t follow a major/minor/bugfix release and it’s bad practice to hack together your own versions.
Fedora rebases it’s packages every 6 months, so it’s never left far behind.
I see! Thank you for the explanation, I’m still very new as this is my first Linux and I did no planning or intentional research before swapping over, I just got mad at Windows and was formatting my main dive 15 minutes later. I avoided Mint specifically because I’d seen lemmy threads saying it was using old packages on purpose for stability reasons, and that for actual gaming I’d want rolling release?
It all depends on what you actually want to do.
I have a computer connected to the TV with Chimera installed because that’s SteamOS 3 with emulators preconfigured and is completely couch + controller friendly.
My laptop has Fedora because it’s up to date, but everything is tested before release, and all upgrade paths are automated unlike Arch which burnt me in the past with breaking changes.
On my Pi’s I have Diet Pi, which is Debian but has images for each of the different ARM boards and has a bunch of scripts for setting up print servers, Home Assistant, etc. I want Debian for it’s slow unchanging nature there.
On my desktop, less so.
But underneath they are all Linux, and they all behave in very similar ways, it’s all about the initial setup.
Well, for X11 you either take input lag or horrible screen tearing, worse FPS even if you configure. Wayland just works, but on nvidia you have to do configuration and the information on “where and what exactly” is obscure as hell to a new user. Mint and Endeavour both put the configs automatically in modprobe.d, but distros like Debian don’t.
Screen tearing hasn’t been a serious issue in X11 for years now, unless you run XFCE. It’s just not an issue in Gnome or KDE.
I run Wayland+ optimus and it worked on PopOS just fine. Took a slight bit of tweaking on Universal Blue, but nothing major. Mainly it works with gaming on Bazzite but not Aurora for some bizarre reason. CUDA worked fine in all of the above.