In November 1967 the Israeli authorities issued Military Order 158, which stated that Palestinians could not construct any new water installation without first obtaining a permit from the Israeli army. Since then, the extraction of water from any new source or the development of any new water infrastructure would require permits from Israel, which are near impossible to obtain. Palestinians living under Israel’s military occupation continue to suffer the devastating consequences of this order until today. They are unable to drill new water wells, install pumps or deepen existing wells, in addition to being denied access to the Jordan River and fresh water springs. Israel even controls the collection of rain water throughout most of the West Bank, and rainwater harvesting cisterns owned by Palestinian communities are often destroyed by the Israeli army. As a result, some 180 Palestinian communities in rural areas in the occupied West Bank have no access to running water, according to OCHA. Even in towns and villages which are connected to the water network, the taps often run dry.
People like you are unsung heroes in the never ending, always attacked, struggle against ignorance and in this case, a bizarre blend of stupidity and evil to come up with lines like this.
“Gaza is in ruins? Well did you know the palestinian children ruined their own buildings to make rocks to throw at innocent israeli pregnant mothers!”
I cannot fathom how you can look at a slaughter currently taking place and side with the slaughterers and it’s incredibly depressing. The only glimmer of hope is that there are people willing to do the work of compiling sources and pushing back on the brain-dead monsters who want to see suffering.
Once you stand on the side of the occupying regime commiting unspeakable acts of horror, your only option is to condemn the oppressed for their suffering. It’s the only way to square the circle. It’s the only way to maintain the illusion that you’re supporting The Good Guys.
I rejected these actions when my country did it. I reject it when other countries do it.
It’s not hard to oppose killing. I’m not even a pacifist nor do I believe all wars are inherently unjustified, but I can clearly see when a state just wants to kill people for the sake of exerting dominance and control. It’s not hard to see, and it’s not hard to oppose.
The opposition doesn’t have the greatest impact per individual, but it also doesn’t do any harm to you or your life. It won’t be held against you by anyone, you won’t have to change all your ideals about anything. Just oppose killing, oppose death being inflicted punitively against populations. Do no harm, right? It’s NOT a complicated issue in reality. The people who keep crying “it’s complicated!” are just trying to justify what they want, and what they want is death.
I am getting really tired of seeing so many people celebrating the deaths of innocent people.
If the infrastructure wasn’t intentionally sabotaged by Hamas there would be less suffering. Water infrastructure in Gaza has been suffering for years due to Hamas’ actions. Bombing provoked by October 7th and the continued holding of hostages has exacerbated the problem but let’s not pretend that municipal water “run” by a genocidal terrorist group was serving all innocent Palestinians with the water they needed prior to the war.
Your argument is my least favourite, because what you’re saying is at least largely true (not sure about everything you’ve said but most of it)… But it’s also irrelevant and absolutely neither an excuse for Israel’s actions. At all. This is the worst kind of whataboutism.
That shit is very much like the Nazis blaming the Jews in the Warsaw Ghetto for what the Nazis were doing to them.
The ethno-Fascists style of excuse is the same for Zionists as it was for Nazis with little more than the names of the “ethnics” and of the “places” changed.
If the infrastructure wasn’t intentionally sabotaged by Hamas there would be less suffering.
Sure, but if the entire city wasn’t bombed to rubble then there would be a LOT less suffering. Calling for ending the destruction of a whole community of people, including mostly civilians and children, shouldn’t get horrible people like you coming out of the woodwork to push back on calls for mercy and compassion for people who have done nothing to deserve what’s being done to them.
People like you break my heart. I will tell my friends and family about you personally. I want you to know that. I will tell them tonight how I was just seeing a bad person online who supports the mindless murder of civilians. Some random person who had to type out their defense and justification for inflicting suffering on innocent people. You are an example so thank you, I can screen-shot this and compile this along with others who support genocide and suffering of people for their skin color and ethnicity, and maybe your little comment here will make it into a history book someday.
What side of history do you think you’ll land on anyway? I would offer you a lot of historical examples of similar situations and the people who had takes like yours.
You’re more sorry about that than justifying genocide?
So, when we look at the actions taken, the dropping of thousands and thousands of bombs in a couple of days, including phosphorus bombs, as we heard, on one of the most densely populated areas around the world, together with these proclamations of intent, this indeed constitutes genocidal killing, which is the first act, according to the convention, of genocide. And Israel, I must say, is also perpetrating act number two and three — that is, causing serious bodily or mental harm, and creating condition designed to bring about the destruction of the group by cutting off water, food, supply of energy, bombing hospitals, ordering the fast evictions of hospitals, which the World Health Organization has declared to be, quote, “a death sentence.” So, we’re seeing the combination of genocidal acts with special intent. This is indeed a textbook case of genocide.
If the infrastructure wasn’t intentionally sabotaged by Hamas there would be less suffering. Water infrastructure in Gaza has been suffering for years due to Hamas’ actions. Bombing provoked by October 7th and the continued holding of hostages has exacerbated the problem but let’s not pretend that municipal water “run” by a genocidal terrorist group was serving all innocent Palestinians with the water they needed prior to the war.
Yes. It was an obvious mistake of historic proportions and one which I as well as many others interested in a lasting peace between an Israeli and Palestinian state have opposed.
It wasn’t a mistake. Israel wanted a terrorist group in charge of gaza so that they could justify the current bombings and genocide. It was all intentional. Going exactly according to plan. It’s all Israel’s fault.
Hamas produces the vast majority of its own Qassam rockets these days, said the researcher, given the difficulties of smuggling in larger rockets into the blockaded Gaza Strip. How the group manufactures the makeshift rockets is less known. In previous battles with Israel, Hamas was known to have fired rockets made of old water pipes, the researcher noted.
Hamas dug up some water pipes beneath old abandoned Israeli settlements in Gaza for rockets…In the far past from a time Israelis controlled Gaza.
Extrapolating this event in the far past this to dismantling the actual water supply of Gaza to make rockets is a slight stretch to say the least. Especially since we have satalite images of it being destroyed by Israeli rockets
I never meant to imply or state that the bombing has no impact, or even that it isn’t the most significant impact. We should be able to acknowledge that war is terrible and harms innocent civilians while also acknowledging that the governing power of Gaza has taken steps to further endanger Palestinians living there.
I’m not an expert on any of this, but how are you able to type a line like this:
the water system which has been cannibalized for years by Hamas to create mortars used to attack Israeli civilians
Without realizing how incredibly asinine it sounds? Like, have you ever been outside? Have you ever had a job that handled materials of ANY kind? Do you know how things work at all? Because this is such an obviously stupid line to use to push back on the current fact that innocent people are being killed that it displays either a fantastic level of ignorance, or a fantastic level of evil. It’s one or the other, which bad wolf inside you are you feeding? The dumb one or the evil one?
Human ingenuity is a powerful force. Hamas has shown propaganda videos they filmed and published showing their production line using water pipes. Take a look and then I’ll happily discuss further
The render can’t possibly lie. If we had just sent someone in there to shoot the barrels while the bad guys were standing next to them, we wouldn’t be in this situation to begin with.
Got a source? Got a link? Got anything to back up your bullshit claims? Got literally anything to prove what you’re saying besides vibes? Please drop it here, please show me this video you speak of.
You mean the water system which has been cannibalized for years by Hamas to create mortars used to attack Israeli civilians?
Here’s video from July 2023 (months before October 7th) of Israelis sealing Palestinian wells with concrete in Hebron
Corroborated by Snopes
Here’s more from 2022 where they plugged wells with concrete
Half of Gaza water sites damaged or destroyed, BBC satellite data reveals, (May 8th 2024)
Gaza water crisis: Israeli forces destroy wells, residents face health risks and shortages (Al Jazeera, 4 days ago)
Amnesty International with an article from 2017, describing Israel destroying wells, pump stations, water storage stations in Gaza and the West Bank
From the above Amnesty article:
In November 1967 the Israeli authorities issued Military Order 158, which stated that Palestinians could not construct any new water installation without first obtaining a permit from the Israeli army. Since then, the extraction of water from any new source or the development of any new water infrastructure would require permits from Israel, which are near impossible to obtain. Palestinians living under Israel’s military occupation continue to suffer the devastating consequences of this order until today. They are unable to drill new water wells, install pumps or deepen existing wells, in addition to being denied access to the Jordan River and fresh water springs. Israel even controls the collection of rain water throughout most of the West Bank, and rainwater harvesting cisterns owned by Palestinian communities are often destroyed by the Israeli army. As a result, some 180 Palestinian communities in rural areas in the occupied West Bank have no access to running water, according to OCHA. Even in towns and villages which are connected to the water network, the taps often run dry.
People like you are unsung heroes in the never ending, always attacked, struggle against ignorance and in this case, a bizarre blend of stupidity and evil to come up with lines like this.
“Gaza is in ruins? Well did you know the palestinian children ruined their own buildings to make rocks to throw at innocent israeli pregnant mothers!”
I cannot fathom how you can look at a slaughter currently taking place and side with the slaughterers and it’s incredibly depressing. The only glimmer of hope is that there are people willing to do the work of compiling sources and pushing back on the brain-dead monsters who want to see suffering.
Once you stand on the side of the occupying regime commiting unspeakable acts of horror, your only option is to condemn the oppressed for their suffering. It’s the only way to square the circle. It’s the only way to maintain the illusion that you’re supporting The Good Guys.
I rejected these actions when my country did it. I reject it when other countries do it.
It’s not hard to oppose killing. I’m not even a pacifist nor do I believe all wars are inherently unjustified, but I can clearly see when a state just wants to kill people for the sake of exerting dominance and control. It’s not hard to see, and it’s not hard to oppose.
The opposition doesn’t have the greatest impact per individual, but it also doesn’t do any harm to you or your life. It won’t be held against you by anyone, you won’t have to change all your ideals about anything. Just oppose killing, oppose death being inflicted punitively against populations. Do no harm, right? It’s NOT a complicated issue in reality. The people who keep crying “it’s complicated!” are just trying to justify what they want, and what they want is death.
I am getting really tired of seeing so many people celebrating the deaths of innocent people.
man the rhetoric on these israel palestine conflict posting only gets more and more extreme.
Sometimes i worry about the palatability of content on the internet.
Please prepend https:// to that BBC URL.
Lemmy otherwise tries to open it like this:
https://lemmy.sdf.org/comment/www.bbc.com/news/world-middle-east-68969239.ampWill do, thank you for the heads up!!
E: added, should work now 👍
And while you’re at it, remove this shitty AMP link
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Any response to any of this @Lynthe@sh.itjust.works ?
Who’s blowing everything in Gaza up?
Here’s the article… https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/cd119dz515wo
If the infrastructure wasn’t intentionally sabotaged by Hamas there would be less suffering. Water infrastructure in Gaza has been suffering for years due to Hamas’ actions. Bombing provoked by October 7th and the continued holding of hostages has exacerbated the problem but let’s not pretend that municipal water “run” by a genocidal terrorist group was serving all innocent Palestinians with the water they needed prior to the war.
Your argument is my least favourite, because what you’re saying is at least largely true (not sure about everything you’ve said but most of it)… But it’s also irrelevant and absolutely neither an excuse for Israel’s actions. At all. This is the worst kind of whataboutism.
That shit is very much like the Nazis blaming the Jews in the Warsaw Ghetto for what the Nazis were doing to them.
The ethno-Fascists style of excuse is the same for Zionists as it was for Nazis with little more than the names of the “ethnics” and of the “places” changed.
Sure, but if the entire city wasn’t bombed to rubble then there would be a LOT less suffering. Calling for ending the destruction of a whole community of people, including mostly civilians and children, shouldn’t get horrible people like you coming out of the woodwork to push back on calls for mercy and compassion for people who have done nothing to deserve what’s being done to them.
People like you break my heart. I will tell my friends and family about you personally. I want you to know that. I will tell them tonight how I was just seeing a bad person online who supports the mindless murder of civilians. Some random person who had to type out their defense and justification for inflicting suffering on innocent people. You are an example so thank you, I can screen-shot this and compile this along with others who support genocide and suffering of people for their skin color and ethnicity, and maybe your little comment here will make it into a history book someday.
What side of history do you think you’ll land on anyway? I would offer you a lot of historical examples of similar situations and the people who had takes like yours.
I hope you and your family are well. I’m sorry that the most interesting thing you have to talk about is my comment on some meme.
You’re more sorry about that than justifying genocide?
“A Textbook Case of Genocide”: Israeli Holocaust Scholar Raz Segal Decries Israel’s Assault on Gaza
Law for Palestine Releases Database with 500+ Instances of Israeli Incitement to Genocide – Continuously Updated
AP News, Time, Reuters, Vox, CBC
it’s not that innocent what you are engaged in, child
So Hamas made Israel blow shit up, eh?
If the infrastructure wasn’t intentionally sabotaged by Hamas there would be less suffering. Water infrastructure in Gaza has been suffering for years due to Hamas’ actions. Bombing provoked by October 7th and the continued holding of hostages has exacerbated the problem but let’s not pretend that municipal water “run” by a genocidal terrorist group was serving all innocent Palestinians with the water they needed prior to the war.
Wow. Maybe Israel shouldn’t have helped Hamas get elected, then.
Yes. It was an obvious mistake of historic proportions and one which I as well as many others interested in a lasting peace between an Israeli and Palestinian state have opposed.
It wasn’t a mistake. Israel wanted a terrorist group in charge of gaza so that they could justify the current bombings and genocide. It was all intentional. Going exactly according to plan. It’s all Israel’s fault.
When did Hamas sabotage the water infrastructure?
https://www.cnn.com/2023/10/13/middleeast/hamas-weapons-invs/index.html
Hamas dug up some water pipes beneath old abandoned Israeli settlements in Gaza for rockets…In the far past from a time Israelis controlled Gaza.
Extrapolating this event in the far past this to dismantling the actual water supply of Gaza to make rockets is a slight stretch to say the least. Especially since we have satalite images of it being destroyed by Israeli rockets
https://www.bbc.com/news/world-middle-east-68969239
I never meant to imply or state that the bombing has no impact, or even that it isn’t the most significant impact. We should be able to acknowledge that war is terrible and harms innocent civilians while also acknowledging that the governing power of Gaza has taken steps to further endanger Palestinians living there.
I have not seen Hamas damaging any water supply systems that are in use. Only Israel is doing that.
The old pipes you referred to, beneath the abandoned Israeli settlements, were not in use.
So, what’s your final solution to this Palestinian problem?
The whole Zyklon-B, death camps and train transport would be too much of a hassle and too obvious in the XXI century.
Death by Starvation, Disease and Dehydration is a much cheaper Final Solution and pro-Genocide Propagandists can even blame the victims themselves.
Absolutely unhinged
I’m not an expert on any of this, but how are you able to type a line like this:
Without realizing how incredibly asinine it sounds? Like, have you ever been outside? Have you ever had a job that handled materials of ANY kind? Do you know how things work at all? Because this is such an obviously stupid line to use to push back on the current fact that innocent people are being killed that it displays either a fantastic level of ignorance, or a fantastic level of evil. It’s one or the other, which bad wolf inside you are you feeding? The dumb one or the evil one?
Human ingenuity is a powerful force. Hamas has shown propaganda videos they filmed and published showing their production line using water pipes. Take a look and then I’ll happily discuss further
I love how people are so willing to swallow even nonsense without question if it supports their emotional stance on a topic.
but the hospital even had a room filled with red barrel explosives!
The render can’t possibly lie. If we had just sent someone in there to shoot the barrels while the bad guys were standing next to them, we wouldn’t be in this situation to begin with.
Ah yeah specifically what pipes are you smoking
probably because you can just buy water pipes from the global market at incredibly cheap prices.
Scavenging does wonders for price effectiveness.
Got a source? Got a link? Got anything to back up your bullshit claims? Got literally anything to prove what you’re saying besides vibes? Please drop it here, please show me this video you speak of.
There’s an Al Jazeera documentary with a video of water pipes being used to make rockets: https://www.memri.org/tv/jazeera-documentary-hamas-missile-industry-iran-sends-kornet-fajr-missiles-to-gaza-reclaims-munitions
Aye, that’s the one!