• Nelots@lemm.ee
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    Being ignorant of some issue a non-white person might have doesnā€™t make you a white supremacist.

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      doesnā€™t make you a white supremacist.

      The fact that you feel personally attacked as soon as somebody used the term white supremacism saysā€¦ what? You can take a shot at answering thatā€¦ or I could answer it for you if it makes it easier. I assure you it will be perfectly painless.

      Being ignorant of some issue a non-white person might

      And what kind of people has been enforcing this ignorance all this time? Maybe the same kind of people youā€™ll find in Rittenhouseā€™s YT rec-list?

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        I didnā€™t feel attacked though, at least not until right now where youā€™re clearly accusing me of being a white supremacist?? Where do you get off doing that to somebody youā€™ve never even spoken to before?

        When I say something stupid and have it pointed out to me that itā€™s coming from a perspective of privilege, I realize my fault and try to do better. Believe it or not, nobody is perfect, and me not knowing literally every way I might have it better than somebody else doesnā€™t suddenly make me believe white people are the superior race.

        You can take a shot at answering thatā€¦ or I could answer it for you if it makes it easier.

        But thanks for the offer, you self righteous asshole. Fuck off.

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          I didnā€™t feel attacked though,

          This you?

          have doesnā€™t make you a white supremacist.

          And then thereā€™s thisā€¦

          until right now where youā€™re clearly accusing me of being a white supremacist??

          You turning reactionary at the mere mention of the term white supremacism is pretty telling. Rememberā€¦ at no point did I actually accuse you of anything.

          itā€™s coming from a perspective of privilege,

          Where does this privilege come from? What created it, and for what reasons?

          doesnā€™t suddenly make me believe white people are the superior race.

          You know overt white supremacism? You did know that itā€™s only the visible tip of the white supremacism iceberg, right? And that the biggest part of it is hiddenā€¦ even from you?

          But thanks for the offer, you self righteous asshole. Fuck off.

          I will take that as an endorsement of the latter option. Very well.

          You feel attacked because you are invested in whiteness without even being aware of it. This is not some ā€œpersonal failingā€ on your part - itā€™s just the way white supremacism works and has worked long before any of us was even born. It really has very little to do with your personal feelings on the matter - if white supremacism relied on individualism to function it would have gone extinct a week after it was invented.

          Iā€™m going to take a wild guess here and bet that you always feel the need to ā€œdistanceā€ yourself from the likes of Rittenhouse and his ilk, because you donā€™t want people to associate your whiteness with his. The reason for that is really simpleā€¦ in our fundamentally white supremacist society, race is literally the most important identifier there is - in spite of the fact that people have been debunking ā€œrace scienceā€ as pseudo-scientific hokum since at least 1836.

          And yetā€¦ here we are - still dealing with itā€™s consequences.

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            This you?

            What the hell is the even supposed to mean? By saying that a group of people I never even claimed to be a part of arenā€™t necessarily white supremacists, Iā€™m somehow feeling attacked? You know, if somebody were to say all Germans are as bad as Hitler, I would argue with them. That doesnā€™t mean I personally felt attacked and thought I was being compared to Hitler. You do not need to feel personally attacked by something in order to defend it.

            You know overt white supremacism?

            Irrelevant. Overt, subtle, it doesnā€™t matter. Youā€™re calling me, somebody you know nothing about, racistā€”and for that, you can kindly fuck right off.

            You turning reactionary at the mere mention of the term white supremacism is pretty telling. Rememberā€¦ at no point did I actually accuse you of anything.

            I did not turn reactionary at the mere mention of the term. I turned reactionary at you heavily implying that I am one, you fucking ass. And no, the distinction between that and actually calling me one is irrelevant. But go ahead and play your little holier than thou act. I hope youā€™re at least fooling yourself, because youā€™re certainly not fooling anybody else.

            You feel attacked becauseā€¦

            See above.

            Iā€™m going to take a wild guess here and bet that you always feel the need to ā€œdistanceā€ yourself from the likes of Rittenhouse and his ilk, because you donā€™t want people to associate your whiteness with his.

            Uh, no. Itā€™s telling that youā€™re so obsessed with the color of my skin, but I actually donā€™t give a fuck about this man or that we share a similar shade of skin. Maybe you should look at yourself in a mirror instead of projecting your racism onto others. If I wish to distance myself from him, itā€™s due to his politics and shitty views, not because of his skin color. Just like Iā€™d like to distance myself from Hitler or Stalin. Or you, for that matter. Iā€™m sure you know what I think better than I do, though, so please, why donā€™t you go ahead and tell me how wrong I am about my own thoughts on the matter? Maybe if you keep it up long enough, youā€™ll finally wonder why itā€™s getting hard to breathe and notice that youā€™ve got your own dick shoved 3 inches down your throat!

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              You do not need to feel personally attacked by something in order to defend it.

              Riiightā€¦ you were just acting like a scalded cat for shits and giggles, eh?

              Youā€™re calling me, somebody you know nothing about, racistā€”and for that, you can kindly fuck right off.

              Oooohā€¦ and that would be such a terrible thing, right? You were born into a fundamentally white supremacist society, so itā€™s perfectly rational to pretend that this fundamentally white supremacist society couldnā€™t possibly have affected you, superheroic liberal that you are, in any possible way, right? After allā€¦ itā€™s all about your personal feels on the matter, correct? I guess this fundamentally white supremacist society must have remained so through sheer coincidence, right?

              You are so incapable of detaching yourself from whiteness that you will literally view any mention of white supremacismā€™s roots in white, western liberalism as a personal attackā€¦ but you may want to start looking into it - the roots of white supremacism isnā€™t going to remain a secret much longer.

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                Riiightā€¦ you were just acting like a scalded cat for shits and giggles, eh?

                You know, you keep saying this, but until you directly attacked my character, I was completely unmoved by your comment. I didnā€™t give a shit about you and was just lightly disagreeing with you in my original comment. Maybe you should go back and re-read this full comment chain because I literally have zero fucking clue where youā€™re getting this idea from. Iā€™d like to see you point out, with the full context, where I acted defensive before you actually attacked me personally.

                Oooohā€¦ and that would be such a terrible thing, right?

                Correct.

                so itā€™s perfectly rational to pretend that this fundamentally white supremacist society couldnā€™t possibly have affected you, superheroic liberal that you are, in any possible way, right?

                Did I say that? Are you actually obtuse or did you just miss the bit where I said this:

                When I say something stupid and have it pointed out to me that itā€™s coming from a perspective of privilege, I realize my fault and try to do better. Believe it or not, nobody is perfectā€¦

                Anyway, maybe you should stop calling me racist just because Iā€™m white. That is, quite literally, racist.

                You are so incapable of detaching yourself from whiteness that you will literally view any mention of white supremacismā€™s roots in white, western liberalism as a personal attackā€¦

                Again, I do not give a shit about my skin color. I REPEAT, I DO NOT CARE ABOUT BEING WHITE. I DO NOT KNOW WHY YOU THINK I DO. Seriously, for the love of god, pull your dick out of your mouth and take a deep breath. I think the lack of oxygen going to your brain is getting to you. And then maybe you can actually try listening to me. The thing that I took as an attack was you heavily implying that Iā€™m racist. You know, an attack. Go ahead though, keep ignoring me when I tell you this. That dick ainā€™t gonna suck itself.

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                  but until you directly attacked my character,

                  Which part ofā€¦

                  This is not some ā€œpersonal failingā€ on your part

                  ā€¦are you having a hard time understanding? White supremacism has nothing to do with your character, genius.

                  where I acted defensive before you actually attacked me personally.

                  We literally have a term for this, you knowā€¦ itā€™s called having a reactionary fit. And yours is going no different than all the others Iā€™ve witnessed over the years. Iā€™ve witnessed it so many times that I do believe itā€™s unavoidable.

                  Correct.

                  Why? Why is it such a terrible thing to admit that white supremacism is bigger than you and your personal feels about it? Why is it so difficult to admit that literally growing up in a fundamentally white supremacist society has, by design, not equipped you to view the world through a lens that isnā€™t white supremacist?

                  I realize my fault and try to do better.

                  ā€œDo betterā€ at what? Being a ā€œgood white?ā€ Thereā€™s no such thingā€¦ there is just white. Caucasity. It all flows from the same place - the whole point of white is white supremacism. It serves absolutely no purpose otherwise.

                  And how are you ā€œdoing betterā€ when you get all reactionary when somene asks you to explain why you even have all this privilege in the first place? Itā€™s almost as if you donā€™t really want to knowā€¦ perhaps because the whole reason you have it is actually closely linked to the very reason the Rittenhouses of this world act the way they do?

                  Anyway, maybe you should stop calling me racist just because Iā€™m white.

                  Appealing to ā€œreverse racismā€ is not going to work for you here - that only works on liberals.

                  Again, I do not give a shit about my skin color.

                  Then prove it. Detach yourself from whiteness long enough so that you can actually observe what it is we are talking about from the outside. You knowā€¦ the exact opposite from what youā€™ve been doing up until now?

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        Literally everyone who disagrees with me is a white supremacist. Why u mad bro? You racist? You must be racist if youā€™re getting mad at me calling you racist.

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          Literally everyone who disagrees with me is a white supremacist.

          Right, rightā€¦ we exist in a fundamentally white supremacist society - except nobody can be influenced by white supremacism at all because admitting to it will hurt our feels.

          Any other tell-tale signs you want to show off before we continue?

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              Has hysterically accusing others of ā€œracism!ā€ when someone mentions the term white supremacism worked for you anywhere else?

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                  Yawnā€¦ what else do you have?

                  ā€œAntifascists are the real fascists!ā€ perhaps? Or, ā€œAntizionists are the real antisemites!ā€ hmmm?

                  Come nowā€¦ show everybody what you really are.