• jamhandy@lemmy.ml
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    You’re allowed to use a specific example to make a general point.

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      Funny how that seems to happen with minorities and Islam but not white people.

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          That’s literally a line used against people protesting for minority rights. It’s not racist to call out problematic stuff.

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              Oh right, because you know me? I haven’t said a damn thing about women’s rights but to demonstrate how easy it is to lay fears of bigotry to rest… I believe all humans are created equal and should be treated equally. I also believe using extremists to paint entire groups is bigotry.

              See? Super easy. Instead y’all seem to be going all in on Islamophobia.

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        Literally nobody mentioned race.

        And aside from that, you’re wrong anyway. People criticise “white” religious beliefs too. A lot.

        Like, you’ve never heard people hating on the catholic church and the people who support it for turning a blind eye to sex abuse scandals? Seriously?

        Or about the religious Christian crazies in the US? You’ve never heard about that?

        Or the cult that is Scientology? Is that something you’re unfamiliar with?

        Fuck off with this trying to frame criticising a religion or pointing out its harmful effects as being racial bigotry.

        It’s not racism, and you know it isn’t. You’re just indirectly supporting actual bigotry that Islam pushes against women, LGBT people, and non-believers.

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          Yes. Specific things about Christianity are complained about. That doesn’t mean bigots aren’t out there spreading islamophobia.

          Oh look an example of someone using an extremist group to paint all Muslims. And trying to cover it with the weird religions in there once.

          And if you think race is the only kind of bigotry going, I have a bridge to sell you.

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            Specific things about Christianity are complained about.

            Everything is complained about. More widely than Islam, too.

            That doesn’t mean bigots aren’t out there spreading islamophobia.

            Who said they weren’t? This is a complete strawman. I never said nobody hates Muslims, I said complaining about Islam is not bigotry, and you bringing race into this and playing the “if you criticise this you’re a RACIST” is pathetic.

            And if you think race is the only kind of bigotry going, I have a bridge to sell you.

            Never said that. That’s another strawman.

            I think you’ll find I explicitly mentioned homophobia, misogyny, and hatred of infidels in my comment. All things absolutely rife in Islam. And yet, here you are indirectly condoning those viewpoints.

            I’m a bisexual Indian immigrant. I’m very, very well aware of bigotry. And complaining about backwards hateful religious rhetoric isn’t bigotry.

            What a disgusting bigot you are. Throwing groups that are treated as subhuman by Islamic institutions under the bus just so you can have some falsified moral high ground by calling everybody who doesn’t like Islamic extremism a racist.

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              They’re also rife in Christianity and Judaism. So again, attempting to get everyone to focus on just the one.

              I very seriously doubt you having anything to do with activism. Unless it’s the right wing kind. Otherwise you wouldn’t be trying to carry water for any religious extremist. But no you’re out here perpetuating islamophobia specifically when if you were LGBTQ you’d know the extreme Christians and Jews would have you up against the wall just as quick.

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                Yes they are rife there too, nowhere near as much, but it still exists. And I don’t like them either.

                Fuck off with the ad hominems. I’m not right wing, that’s exactly why I’m against the bigotry that Islam pushes, and you’re pushing. You’re the one sounding extremely right wing with your acceptance of bigotry and pandering to religious extremists.

                Me pointing out that Islam pushes bigotry is not an example of bigotry. I also complain about Nazis like you, you gonna cry about me being nazi-phobic?

                Fuck off, bigot. I bet you’d love it if the religious whackos lynched people like me and continued treating women like cattle.

                Blocking you on account of you clearly being a homophobic misogynist. Yuck.

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                  Right. I forgot if I don’t hate all Muslims I’m a bad guy?

                  Yeah no. That’s literally the position of a racist. Just because you can’t see it, doesn’t make it less true. It doesn’t matter how much you astroturf other positions. Not being a bigot is very very simple. You just take people as they are, without judgement for their race, religion, nationality, or ethnicity. You certainly don’t go off saying that because some Muslims are idiots, all of them are. The same judgment can easily be applied to Christians, Jews, Americans, Europeans, Africans, Asians, etc.

                  Despite all of your protesting of being on the right side of things you are failing that very simple test.

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            Bullshit. People openly disparage and mock Christianity all the time. The difference is that nobody ever gets killed for it. Islam is in dire need of reform. Pointing that out is not a form of bigotry.

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              Oh should I pull out the list? Do you want KKK killings, Abortion Clinic shootings, or just normal lynchings?

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              No, they literally control the US Congress and SCOTUS. A White Christian Nationalist is the speaker of the house. And they aren’t letting anything through that doesn’t have their approval. Nobody said they were the majority position of the United States. But for a religion that protests it’s constantly under critique it’s currently in charge and rolling back rights as fast as they can.