“I’ll pay my guys”Yeah, we’ve heard that from him before.
Just pay them in Trump coins
Related - https://hexbear.net/comment/6578663
Venezuela’s definitely happening inside the next month then. Can’t have troops invading on a no-paycheck month.
In this episode Trump makes use of a little-known exception to the rules known as “who the fuck’s gonna stop me?”
Trump seems to have given his insight to Macron in recent times
well the soldiers did take an oath so I’m figuring “guy who wants to pay them” vs. “whatever state entity that has to technically fight paying them against guy who pays them” should be a fair fight
I’m actually sort of surprised Trump hasn’t issued a short EO on that topic with matching Truth Social post telling GOP SCOTUS to issue a quickie shadow ruling for him. The EO could state “I, as president, have plenary power,” which is an equivalent to “nobody can ever fucking stop me.”
lol at “leader.” When Democrats are in power, its Dems faults, when Repubs are in power its the Dems fault. And then Dems will be like lets join hands and work together and then get ratfucked again.
Well it is their fault for being so disconnected from reality that they thought a dying old man or his token cop lawyer would beat someone who has a ton of people waving flags with his name on it.
At critical congressional meeting behind closed doors…
“If you don’t do what we want - we’re gonna ratfuck you.”
“Do you mean it? Really?”
“There’s something seriously wrong with all of you.”
“C’mon. Are you gonna ratfuck us or not?”
Then the dems leave and go talk to the media and say “We’re making steady process despite some roadblocks.”
This is brilliant because it further erodes the sovereignty of the legislative branch, but it’s about "the troops"tm so no one is gonna fight it
If Trump succeeds - I can imagine Schumer saying…
“Trump used a highly unorthodox mechanism. Only Congress has the legal authority to release funds. But this is about The Troops - TM mark - so it’s great they got paid!”
If the democrats were smart, they would demand that Republicans in congress pass a bill to pay the troops and then accuse them of opposing paying the troops when they fight it
If the democrats were smart…
To dream the impossible dream
To fight the unbeatable foe
To bear with unbearable sorrow
To run where the brave dare not goThe democrats are smart though.
Democrats when a republican uses the power of the most powerful position on earth to do things:
‘You can do that???’ followed by them forgetting this fact when ‘their guy’ is inThey would absolutely be willing to use this type of power but only to do bad things their donors want
Yeah Biden literally did it when he sent weapons to Israel. Overruled a bunch of checks that were supposedly supposed to stop weapons from going to countries committing war crimes.
Now imagine if he had done something for student loans, might’ve saved the election for the democrats.
sorry the sweaty the senate parliamentarian(whose ‘rulings’ can be legally ignored) said no :(
Yeah love how the mystical parliamentarian prevented a bunch under Biden but the first time they tried to stop Trump he just ignored them and we found out that it was always allowed but the dems didn’t because of “decorum”.
Same thing happened under the Bush administration. Parliamentarian tried to get in the way and they just fired him
It was known to us the entire time that they were doing the parliamentarian shtick that they could be ignored and replaced at will. They’re a powerless Rules Nerd who is there to go “um akshually the rules state…” but that’s literally fucking it, they have less authority than a schoolteacher.
But liberals are blueMAGA so when their guy in office and their guys on TV tell them the sky is red they hoot and holler in the ecstasy of the truth. With a Democrat president liberals have part of their brains entirely disengaged such that they are unable to even formulate the concept of a question, much less ask one or investigate whether they’re being lied to
Now imagine if he had done something for student loans, might’ve saved the election for the democrats.
I literally owe interest on my loans almost equal to the loans at this point
Charging interest on loans for education is crazy too, feel like the bare minimum they could do is just set the interest rates to 0%.
What’s fucking crazy is there are a million and a half compromises that we could have had that would have ameliorated the extremity of capitalism’s depredations but we are denied even the mildest and most milquetoast reform. And people like me are seen as the crazy, radical extremists even though I’d be totally stoked for something as small as a zero interest loan. Something mutualist anarchists were talking about in America in the fucking 1800s. Well, more like 0.5% interest in their case to pay for the administrative wages and shit to service the loan, but still
Now imagine if he had done something for student loans, might’ve saved the election for the democrats.
didnt he try and the conservative supreme court struck it down? of course we can talk how the SC got conservative but thats a history lesson.
i don’t have the sources handy, but apparently the “approach” to loan forgiveness that the democrats went with was the one that was a lot less tenable and more easy to be struck down. There were other parliamentary approaches they could/should have gone with (if they actually gave a shit) that were more solidly supported
yea of course they could have done quite a bit when they had power, but it’s a broken system that is broken on purpose. “Oh no we can’t do that because Joe fucking Lieberman exists.” WELL THEN KICK HIM OUT OF THE PARTY. Fuck.
The SC ruled he could drone strike the SC and send in Navy SEALs to kill any survivors, but Biden didn’t do that because he’s a coward.
truth
he tried to do some means-tested half-ass thing instead of just forgiving the federally held loans which would not have been stopped by the court
If a series of miracles happens that allows the democratic party to flourish - President Newsome at his inauguration will say…
“I and my fellow Democratic congresspeople are unable to do anything the Supreme Court. Or ICE. Or DHS. Or healthcare. Or our broken federal healthcare institutions such as HHS, CDC, etc. Or federal science funding. Or NASA. We will not be abolishing the filibuster. The list of stuff we don’t do is depressing and very long. It goes on for 3 minutes. My aides timed it. But the important thing is I won! And our democracy persevered!”
But Newsome and his fellow Democratic congresspeople will take bold action on privatizing as much of the federal government as they can as they line their pockets for the good of the American People.
IIRC the filibuster was effectively overturned by a procedural change this session. Bringing it back is so on-brand that your bit is still a good one.
They can just make exceptions when they think it’s convenient, been doing that for quite a while now
IIRC the filibuster was effectively overturned by a procedural change this session.
I haven’t been following the filibuster stuff at all but I think the GOP kept it but created a carve out or two. I have no idea what the actual term for “carve out” is.
‘created an exception’?
There must be a fancy term. This is congress after all.
Ninja edit. Despite knowing that google would only annoy me - I spent a few minutes googling. Some sites use the term “majoritarian exception”. I don’t know if that’s standardized or not.
The quotes should be around “forgetting”, not “their guy”.
idk perhaps for the leaders, but I honestly don’t think it occurs to your average 24hr news cycle addicted lib that the red tape ‘tying’ the hands of dems when they try to do good things can be ripped like the repugs do when they do their bad things
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He’s following the Trueanon rules. You gotta pay your guys. If you stop paying them, they are no longer your guys.
I love our troops. Nobody loves our troops more than Trump. My guys are my guys. They’re my guys! So - you gotta pay your guys. You gotta. If you don’t pay your guys - they’re no longer your guys. Bad. Very, very bad. Some people read books or a lotta books. Why? Podcasts are better. Get a lot fast. Trueanon - my favorite podcast. Not my guys. No. But maybe - could be - a tiny little my guys?
I’m going to guess that 90% of troops don’t want this. Any time something weird happens a hundred other things get fucked up. Maybe the special paycheck massively delays their back pay, maybe it screws up amounts and they get overpaid some amount that the army is going to notice in five years and yoink it straight back from their bank accounts, something different will go wrong and anyone who has been in the military for more than a few months knows that in their bones.
Hard to say. I know a guy in the Navy who was having to apply for a loan from his credit union to pay the bills this month. Tough to turn down “free” money.
I was operating under the assumption that most of these guys are already used to short term loans. Don’t get me wrong, I’m sure it makes them love Trump but they also know that it’s going to cause them problems that fall into the “unknown unknowns” quadrant of the Rumsfeld compass.
This guy in particular is definitely not pro-Trump, he got hit with the double whammy of being broke and having a military dad. Tried to convince him not to but he wouldn’t bend. He hasn’t bought any Cameros yet tho!
The pentagon has all this copper in the walls, we’re taking it out and giving it to the troopsget ready for the biggest
everIt seems to me to be a win-win for Trump.
If he breaks the law but gets away with it - he’ll say he paid the troops. Americans are far more interested in results than the law.
If the courts stop him - he’ll either say “The courts stopped me!” or he’ll lie and say “The democrats stopped me!”
praetorian guard type shit actually, not byzantine, my bad
Wrong thread?
In other news - I don’t know why but I wish there was a punk band called Byzantine My Bad. BMB for short.
in another thread i posted about how we’re in 15th century byzantium bc the govt isn’t paying the troops, but this development of trump circumventing the shutdown to pay them feels more late principate to me
15th century byzantium
depends on if this exceptional pay period is going to be related to the Turks. does anyone know where Eric Adams is rn?
first stop is always Istanbul
late principate
Ah, yes.
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In all seriousness - I googled.
The Principate was the form of imperial government of the Roman Empire from the beginning of the reign of Augustus in 27 BC to the end of the Crisis of the Third Century in AD 284, after which it evolved into the Dominate.
The point of differentiating is that the principate was a period in which the roman republic was functionally a monarchy, but retained (Depowered) republican institutions and claimed to be a republic, due to a cultural taboo and legal ban on monarchy in the Roman state. This is where we get the word prince from, the styling Augustus used was “Princeps” which means first, and during the principiate the monarchy pretended that the ruler was merely the first among theoretically equal citizens.
The Dominate period was the period where they just made the empire legal. With the emeperors away with all the pretext of republicanism and adopting the aristocratic styling of lord (Dominus).The point of differentiating is that the principate was a period in which the roman republic was functionally a monarchy, but retained (Depowered) republican institutions and claimed to be a republic, due to a cultural taboo and legal ban on monarchy in the Roman state.
I wonder if something similar will happen in the US before 2028. GOP SCOTUS will start to claim the Constitution justifies whatever they want. They’ll say Trump can run for a third term even though that’s 100% anti-Constitutional right now. At that point - whenever it happens - it’s clear that Trump has become president for life because federal voting will be total joke. Trump has already won the 2028 election. The US will functionally be a fascist dictatorship but the GOP and their gigantic and powerful media apparatus will still pretend democracy still survives because it’s highly useful for them.
Trump and his cohort have no interest in history but maybe they’ll eventually use Dominate because it certain has charm to the rightwing.
I’m not even sure how he’d do this illegally. If he just sends them paychecks they’ll be worthless, who will cash them? It’ll b fascinating to watch how he gets actual real money to them.
Funniest option: he pays them in crypto.
AFAIK the president has the power to borrow money, which is why the debt ceiling is an issue every time we get close to it because Congress orders the government to spend more than its making so the President has to borrow. The only illegal part would be the sending checks part, since that’s spending money that hasn’t been appropriated and isn’t covered by an exemption.
That said, there’s a civil war-era law that could theoretically be used to justify paying the troops without an appropriation. It’s only intended to apply to feeding troops (and their horses) but I can imagine that being argued over in the Supreme Court.
It would be a pretty big power grab by the presidency to take direct control of that process away from Congress but its not outside the realm of possibility given the current trajectory of the government and the stated goal of the right to concentrate more and more power in the executive.
I hate to quibble but the funniest option would be that he pays them in $TRUMP meme coins.
Imagine if Trump signs an executive order making his meme coin a legal currency that all vendors have to accept.
Trump’s EO: “Henceforth, as of this day, $Trump meme coin is now extra-legel tender…”
Libs make fun of the concept of “extra” legal tender. And they poke endlessly at the typo. But their laughter turns to incandescent rage once it’s clear GOP SCOTUS is going to issue a shadow docket ruling.
NYT
I love how Trump lies and lies and lies but the media responds by taking him seriously. The Times doesn’t even say “President Trump claimed…” Emphasis mine.
President Trump said on Saturday that he had “identified funds” that would allow the administration to pay members of the military on Oct. 15, even though the government remains shut down and Congress has not approved additional money for the troops.
The White House budget office said only that the money would be sourced from research and development funds previously approved for the Pentagon for a two-year period, but offered no further details about the president’s plans.
The White House budget office said only that the money would be sourced from research and development funds previously approved for the Pentagon for a two-year period, but offered no further details about the president’s plans.
that sounds like a win
He’ll pay them for each leftist scalp they bring him
Impeachable offense? Omg this is a gamechanger. You know what to do, dems!!!
