Ehhh, to each their own. I was in those classes, fully separated streams. No idea why you’d assume having a more interesting class would nix social development. (You can’t learn to socialize if the teacher doesn’t have to slow down?)
Fully wide range of outcomes but a lot of the kids with the potential went and realized it. Sure, not all of us did but from my small circle one’s on the second highest court in Canada, one’s set up a reasonably famous company, one’s a cardiac surgeon etc.
(You can’t learn to socialize if the teacher doesn’t have to slow down?)
When do you talk to to other kids if not during class? Lunch was for study group, where we didn’t talk, and we didn’t get free periods or anything because it was just more class.
Not when the teacher thinks we need to be better behaved than the normal kids because we were smarter than them. Not when everybody in the class has parents that beat them for coming home with a B. Not when…
I just had a relatively normal class with extra projects and more advanced math lessons. It didn’t seem to have much of an effect on me, except for awakening an interest in the Aztecs that might have contributed to wanting to learn Spanish. It looks like that’s pretty standard from the study linked in this comment chain.
Ah, so it wasn’t the same. The person I was responding to was saying their fully seperated stream didn’t hurt them, but it sounds like yours was pretty integrated.
Wild, maybe Canada does ours differently? I was in 2 different programs over the years but we still had lunch, free blocks and still shot the shit a bunch in class. And then sports and other extra curriculars too.
Yeah, it sounds like my school took it a lot more seriously. There was always this cloud of “If you fuck this up, you’ll be one of the poors forever, so don’t get out of line” hanging over us.
That, and going to the library to study didn’t cost as much as extra-curriculars.
I’m talking about school in the US, I’m not sure how Canadian schools are structured.
In my school, they pulled all the “smart” kids(most just had parents who did 90% of the work) out of normal classes, gave them 2-3x the workload and moved the coursework up by half a grade.
I’m sure there are better programs but widely that’s how things were for American gifted students.
Many of the people I knew in those programs either turned out average or did extremely poorly because they had a massive ego with no social skills.
It’s to the point where I feel like the people who became successful were successful in spite of the gifted program and the people who turned out to be failures did so because of the gifted program.
It will be different in different places but this has been my experience in the US.
Yeah, that sounds wild. Ours were opt in programs with some testing etc. Coursework was hard but I still hardly had any for homework etc.
Got to skip a few university classes as ours counted for them though which was useful. And yeah, the more I think about that grad class (decades ago now) the more impressed I am with what some of those folks went on to do.
Nice, it sounds like you went to a good school or a normal one outside the US.
I’m specifically talking about gifted programs in the US. Like most of our education system, they’re generally shitty unless you’re in a high privilege area in which case you’re probably going to a private school anyway.
In the same way American schools aren’t representative of Canadian schools - your experience at one American school isn’t representative of all American schools. Maybe cut back on the blanket statements about American schools.
It’s pointless to point out that your singular experience at one school isn’t indicative of American schools at large? Knowing there are other people who have their own experiences in the world is a critical development stage you should have reached by now.
You know, everyone else in this thread has come with levelheaded replies sharing their experiences with gifted programs, and it’s a mix of some schools who did it right and others who did it wrong. All you’ve replied with is obstinate vitriol. Starting to think you’re just jealous you didn’t make it into the gifted programs…
Ehhh, to each their own. I was in those classes, fully separated streams. No idea why you’d assume having a more interesting class would nix social development. (You can’t learn to socialize if the teacher doesn’t have to slow down?)
Fully wide range of outcomes but a lot of the kids with the potential went and realized it. Sure, not all of us did but from my small circle one’s on the second highest court in Canada, one’s set up a reasonably famous company, one’s a cardiac surgeon etc.
When do you talk to to other kids if not during class? Lunch was for study group, where we didn’t talk, and we didn’t get free periods or anything because it was just more class.
But the gifted class also has kids in it who talk to you.
Not when the teacher thinks we need to be better behaved than the normal kids because we were smarter than them. Not when everybody in the class has parents that beat them for coming home with a B. Not when…
I just had a relatively normal class with extra projects and more advanced math lessons. It didn’t seem to have much of an effect on me, except for awakening an interest in the Aztecs that might have contributed to wanting to learn Spanish. It looks like that’s pretty standard from the study linked in this comment chain.
Ah, so it wasn’t the same. The person I was responding to was saying their fully seperated stream didn’t hurt them, but it sounds like yours was pretty integrated.
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No assuming needed, we talked about it openly, before quickly getting shushed by the teachers.
Wild, maybe Canada does ours differently? I was in 2 different programs over the years but we still had lunch, free blocks and still shot the shit a bunch in class. And then sports and other extra curriculars too.
Yeah, it sounds like my school took it a lot more seriously. There was always this cloud of “If you fuck this up, you’ll be one of the poors forever, so don’t get out of line” hanging over us.
That, and going to the library to study didn’t cost as much as extra-curriculars.
I’m talking about school in the US, I’m not sure how Canadian schools are structured.
In my school, they pulled all the “smart” kids(most just had parents who did 90% of the work) out of normal classes, gave them 2-3x the workload and moved the coursework up by half a grade.
I’m sure there are better programs but widely that’s how things were for American gifted students.
Many of the people I knew in those programs either turned out average or did extremely poorly because they had a massive ego with no social skills.
It’s to the point where I feel like the people who became successful were successful in spite of the gifted program and the people who turned out to be failures did so because of the gifted program.
It will be different in different places but this has been my experience in the US.
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Yeah, that sounds wild. Ours were opt in programs with some testing etc. Coursework was hard but I still hardly had any for homework etc.
Got to skip a few university classes as ours counted for them though which was useful. And yeah, the more I think about that grad class (decades ago now) the more impressed I am with what some of those folks went on to do.
Nice, it sounds like you went to a good school or a normal one outside the US.
I’m specifically talking about gifted programs in the US. Like most of our education system, they’re generally shitty unless you’re in a high privilege area in which case you’re probably going to a private school anyway.
In the same way American schools aren’t representative of Canadian schools - your experience at one American school isn’t representative of all American schools. Maybe cut back on the blanket statements about American schools.
Yes thank you for reiterating for me that I’m talking about American schools. Because as I stated I am talking about American schools.
In case anyone didn’t know I’m talking about American schools, as in not non-american schools.
Well, going by your literacy, I’m gonna guess you weren’t in the gifted classes. Completely misread what I said.
No I read it, it’s a pointless uhm ackshully
It’s pointless to point out that your singular experience at one school isn’t indicative of American schools at large? Knowing there are other people who have their own experiences in the world is a critical development stage you should have reached by now.
You know, everyone else in this thread has come with levelheaded replies sharing their experiences with gifted programs, and it’s a mix of some schools who did it right and others who did it wrong. All you’ve replied with is obstinate vitriol. Starting to think you’re just jealous you didn’t make it into the gifted programs…
Bro it’s called having an opinion. Go touch some fucking grass if you can’t handle someone online having an opinion based on their experiences.
Never said you couldn’t have an opinion. I’m saying your opinion is uninformed and wrong.