Bible believers and quran believers actually do point at their books and claim they are proof of their religion.
No spider-man (there, I added the hyphen for you) reader, religious or not, big comic nerd or not, would ever say the comic is proof of spider-manās existence because of course thatās ridiculous.
So adding spider-man to this meme does make a lot of sense - putting them in contrast, hoping to make people understand how illogical it is to treat certain man made works of fiction so completely differently than others.
The spider-man comic is supposed to be the silly, unbelievable example. Itās not supposed to make sense. People donāt believe in spider-man just because thereās books about him, but they do believe in God/Allah for that reason. But thatās a silly reason to believe in anything. That much is obvious with spider-man, as you seem to understand. Itās less obvious with peopleās dieties for some reason.
oh my god, itās a babyās analogy. you yourself are saying people donāt do this with this book but do it with that book. so itās by definition a bad example. also, at first the argument was āthe meme isnāt saying just because the book existsā, but now you say āthey do believe (ā¦) for that reasonā.
this is what I mean by embarrassing. people canāt help but defend a dumb meme rather than admit it makes a bad point simply because it agrees with them is funnily enough very religious coded imo.
again the internet atheist assumes no one understands the premise rather than realize the premise is dumb. itās incredible how much you guys operate on faulty logic instead of making arguments that are sound.
instead of saying āthe bible isnāt proof that god exists the same way a physics book in itself isnāt proof that physics exist, but we can observe and replicate physics experiments in a way that gives us high confidence that our understanding of the laws of physics is soundā you go to fucking kindergarten logic immediately.
the spider-man (respect the hyphen) comics arenāt proof of spider-manās existence because they make zero effort to prove spider-man exists. like thatās not even a concern of the book, how bad are you at analogiesā¦ you can make the same argument instead with something like the secret. or better yet, you can do it with other holy books.
funnily enough the quran works as an argument against the bible since christians ostensibly believe in the bible but not the quran even though there are vast similarities. wouldnāt work the other way since muslims technically believe that the bible at least at one point history was indeed the true word of god. but you can always use newer scripture, like dianetics or whatever.
i get that comparing them to spider-man makes your smug ass feel euphoric but making stupid arguments doesnāt make the other side seem stupid as many of you internet atheists think for some reason. it just makes you look like you donāt know how analogies work.
I appreciate the answer, but Iām afraid I disagree on several points.
I will give one thing to start off with, yes the premise is dumb, thatās why itās a humorous meme.
instead of saying āthe bible isnāt proof that god exists the same way a physics book in itself isnāt proof that physics exist, but we can observe and replicate physics experiments in a way that gives us high confidence that our understanding of the laws of physics is soundā
Iād argue this is exactly what the meme says. The meme as format is a much simplified rehash of the argument, more of a reference than an actual argumentation. It conveys the frustration of having to rehash a long debunked argument in a humorous nod to those whoāve had to live them and repeat them many times. This is btw probably why youāre getting the reactions you are in this thread, the meme isnāt the argument itself. On the other hand it gets reposted because thereās always someone who gets tripped up, and the exercise of rehashing it might illuminate them or another reader.
the spider-man (respect the hyphen) comics arenāt proof of spider-manās existence because they make zero effort to prove spider-man exists. like thatās not even a concern of the book, how bad are you at analogiesā¦ you can make the same argument instead with something like the secret.
What effort does the Bible or any book make to prove their charactersā existence? Iād argue itās to post claims you can verify. Claims like descriptions of places and events. Spiderman comics are quite easily verified as many of the locations and events described can be investigated in person, or corroborated through photos, video, independent reports.
Or is the linchpin that the Spiderman comics donāt explicitly claim that they are true? Would your view change if someone had written and underlined āTruth!ā in one of them? Iād argue it shouldnāt, just claiming somethingās true doesnāt make it so, they could be mistaken or lying.
funnily enough the quran works as an argument against the bible since christians ostensibly believe in the bible but not the quran even though there are vast similarities.
I entirely agree, and this is the part of the meme the atheists are secretly smug about.
No, the fact that people do it with some books and not others is the whole thing the meme is trying to point out. Whatās embarrassing here is 1. you needing multiple people to explain that to you and 2. you getting this worked up over a meme.
thatās why itās a stupid way to make the point. the image just says āthey believe it because a book existsā which is not true.
also itās one thing to not have respect for religion but you gotta respect the hyphen; itās spider-man.
The image doesnāt say āthey believe it because a book exists.ā
The image says āthey think the existence of the book is proof of its contents.ā
no it doesnāt. because it wouldnāt make sense to add spider-man in that case.
Bible believers and quran believers actually do point at their books and claim they are proof of their religion. No spider-man (there, I added the hyphen for you) reader, religious or not, big comic nerd or not, would ever say the comic is proof of spider-manās existence because of course thatās ridiculous. So adding spider-man to this meme does make a lot of sense - putting them in contrast, hoping to make people understand how illogical it is to treat certain man made works of fiction so completely differently than others.
Youāre so close but still missing the point.
The spider-man comic is supposed to be the silly, unbelievable example. Itās not supposed to make sense. People donāt believe in spider-man just because thereās books about him, but they do believe in God/Allah for that reason. But thatās a silly reason to believe in anything. That much is obvious with spider-man, as you seem to understand. Itās less obvious with peopleās dieties for some reason.
oh my god, itās a babyās analogy. you yourself are saying people donāt do this with this book but do it with that book. so itās by definition a bad example. also, at first the argument was āthe meme isnāt saying just because the book existsā, but now you say āthey do believe (ā¦) for that reasonā.
this is what I mean by embarrassing. people canāt help but defend a dumb meme rather than admit it makes a bad point simply because it agrees with them is funnily enough very religious coded imo.
Let me try to rephrase the argument the meme makes and see if it clicks.
If the Bible is proof that God exists (as many Christians believe).
And the Quran is proof that god/Allah exists (as many Muslims believe).
Then spiderman comics are proof that Spider-man exists (which many Christians and Muslims disbelieve).
Either you believe all three are true, or you donāt believe the existence of the book makes it true.
again the internet atheist assumes no one understands the premise rather than realize the premise is dumb. itās incredible how much you guys operate on faulty logic instead of making arguments that are sound.
instead of saying āthe bible isnāt proof that god exists the same way a physics book in itself isnāt proof that physics exist, but we can observe and replicate physics experiments in a way that gives us high confidence that our understanding of the laws of physics is soundā you go to fucking kindergarten logic immediately.
the spider-man (respect the hyphen) comics arenāt proof of spider-manās existence because they make zero effort to prove spider-man exists. like thatās not even a concern of the book, how bad are you at analogiesā¦ you can make the same argument instead with something like the secret. or better yet, you can do it with other holy books.
funnily enough the quran works as an argument against the bible since christians ostensibly believe in the bible but not the quran even though there are vast similarities. wouldnāt work the other way since muslims technically believe that the bible at least at one point history was indeed the true word of god. but you can always use newer scripture, like dianetics or whatever.
i get that comparing them to spider-man makes your smug ass feel euphoric but making stupid arguments doesnāt make the other side seem stupid as many of you internet atheists think for some reason. it just makes you look like you donāt know how analogies work.
I appreciate the answer, but Iām afraid I disagree on several points.
I will give one thing to start off with, yes the premise is dumb, thatās why itās a humorous meme.
Iād argue this is exactly what the meme says. The meme as format is a much simplified rehash of the argument, more of a reference than an actual argumentation. It conveys the frustration of having to rehash a long debunked argument in a humorous nod to those whoāve had to live them and repeat them many times. This is btw probably why youāre getting the reactions you are in this thread, the meme isnāt the argument itself. On the other hand it gets reposted because thereās always someone who gets tripped up, and the exercise of rehashing it might illuminate them or another reader.
What effort does the Bible or any book make to prove their charactersā existence? Iād argue itās to post claims you can verify. Claims like descriptions of places and events. Spiderman comics are quite easily verified as many of the locations and events described can be investigated in person, or corroborated through photos, video, independent reports.
Or is the linchpin that the Spiderman comics donāt explicitly claim that they are true? Would your view change if someone had written and underlined āTruth!ā in one of them? Iād argue it shouldnāt, just claiming somethingās true doesnāt make it so, they could be mistaken or lying.
I entirely agree, and this is the part of the meme the atheists are secretly smug about.
No, the fact that people do it with some books and not others is the whole thing the meme is trying to point out. Whatās embarrassing here is 1. you needing multiple people to explain that to you and 2. you getting this worked up over a meme.
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