President Joe Biden announced Thursday $3 billion toward identifying and replacing theĀ nationā€™s unsafeĀ leadĀ pipes,Ā a long-sought move to improve public health and clean drinking waterĀ that will be paidĀ for by the Bipartisan Infrastructure Law.

Biden unveiled the new fundingĀ in North Carolina, a battleground state Democrats have lost to Donald Trump in the past two presidential electionsĀ but are feeling more bullish toward due to an abortion measure on the stateā€™s ballot this November.

ā€¦

The Environmental Protection Agency will invest $3 billion in theĀ leadĀ pipe effort annually through 2026, Administrator Michael Regan told reporters. He said that nearly 50% of the funding will go to disadvantaged communities ā€“ and a fact sheet from the Biden administration noted that ā€œlead exposure disproportionately affects communities of color and low-income families.ā€

  • DahGangalang@infosec.pub
    link
    fedilink
    arrow-up
    4
    arrow-down
    2
    Ā·
    edit-2
    5 months ago

    Like, it feels like this should be the kind of money to put a real dent in the problemā€¦but I worry that the corruption of local governments and the associated contractors will probably soak up a lot of this on tangential things (e.g. lead pipes crosses under this really old road at one point; guess weā€™ll need to tear up the road for 10 miles in each direction of the cross under point and then repave the whole thing, just to be sure)

    Edit: modifying example for clarity.

    • ricecake@sh.itjust.works
      link
      fedilink
      arrow-up
      7
      Ā·
      5 months ago

      So, thatā€™s not actually corruption or diversion of funds for this problem, thatā€™s basically what you have to do.
      A lot of pipes we know are lead, but even more are unknown because they were installed long enough ago that weā€™re just operating under the assumption that theyā€™re either lead, old style clay, or wood.

      Itā€™s entirely expected that cities will say ā€œthereā€™s a water main under this road from 1901, so weā€™re ripping it up and replacing the pipe and roadā€, because that 1901 is entirely sufficient to say that pipe is shit.

      You fight lead pipes by replacing all the old pipes, not by trying to selectively only get the lead ones.

      • ZombiFrancis@sh.itjust.works
        link
        fedilink
        arrow-up
        2
        arrow-down
        2
        Ā·
        5 months ago

        I am not sure if youā€™ve seen the process through which public funding gets funneled through private companies to implement.

        The decision to delegate the task to break one job apart for portions of the same job is a thing. My hometown had separate teams building a highway: one westbound one eastbound. They build things in the wrong place.

        https://archive.kitsapsun.com/news/local/890000-mistake-discovered-on-highway-16-project-ep-419650199-357597121.html

        • ricecake@sh.itjust.works
          link
          fedilink
          arrow-up
          2
          Ā·
          5 months ago

          I am aware of the process. Iā€™m not sure what that has to do with ā€œsometimes a big project takes a lot of work, and other things also have to happen to do itā€.

          • ZombiFrancis@sh.itjust.works
            link
            fedilink
            arrow-up
            1
            arrow-down
            2
            Ā·
            5 months ago

            A lot of projects get a lot bigger and become a lot more work without doing much or other things.

            Like a local decision to build a new police station, including shooting range requiring land clearing, versus utilizing that funding for the addressing the homeless population. It wasnā€™t what the money was originally for, but it got moved around legally enough.

        • Buelldozer@lemmy.today
          link
          fedilink
          arrow-up
          1
          arrow-down
          1
          Ā·
          edit-2
          5 months ago

          I read your article and it pretty clearly says that the problem was with the State DOT Planners and Engineers, not the construction teams.

          The problem in this case wasnā€™t with the people building the road it was with the people who planned it. AKA The Government.

          • ZombiFrancis@sh.itjust.works
            link
            fedilink
            arrow-up
            1
            Ā·
            5 months ago

            Well, yes. The planners and engineers are the ones subject to all the political hands of local governments.

            Certainly not implicating the construction teams themselves. (Though arguably still if one firm were building both sides they may have noticed sooner.)

            Now I admit I say this from both personal experience and a tinge of disgruntlement. But my remarks regard government serving private interests over public ones, not government itself. The system that these planners operate under is one rife with regulatory capture.

            Point is: thereā€™s going to be significant administrative bleed at best.

      • DahGangalang@infosec.pub
        link
        fedilink
        arrow-up
        1
        arrow-down
        1
        Ā·
        5 months ago

        If thatā€™s really how that works, then I can see why the expense has been kicked down the line so long. I worry this allocated money wonā€™t be enough then and that weā€™re probably talking ā€œshowā€ money vs ā€œgetting things doneā€ money.

        • ricecake@sh.itjust.works
          link
          fedilink
          arrow-up
          3
          Ā·
          5 months ago

          Itā€™s complicated how itā€™s funded, but this isnā€™t the first or last time weā€™ve allocated funds for this.

          https://www.epa.gov/dwsrf
          https://www.epa.gov/water-infrastructure/bipartisan-infrastructure-law-srf-funding-status

          Basically, in 1996 we setup a program to make it easier for states to get federal money for water improvements, either via long term loans or grants.
          The EPA then doles out the money, and it trickles back over time from loan repayments. Thatā€™s why with $21 billion in funding theyā€™ve provided $41 billion in investments.
          Periodically Congress adds some more money to the fund, but itā€™s largely the feds turning the massive one time costs of these projects into reasonable long term investments.

          The Bipartisan Infrastructure Law dumped something like $50 billion into that fund, which is a lot more than it usually has, and $15 billion of which is allocated to lead pipes replacement.
          After a round of assessments of pipes and applications from different water providers, the EPA put together a $3 billion package of the most high priority projects that can get started this year.
          Then Biden signed the order to issue the round of funding according to EPA recommendations.

          This is more like the first big paycheck after getting a new job than winning the lottery.

    • snooggums@midwest.social
      link
      fedilink
      English
      arrow-up
      6
      arrow-down
      2
      Ā·
      5 months ago

      You just described using funds to do two things at the same time, which is efficient use of funds.

      • DahGangalang@infosec.pub
        link
        fedilink
        arrow-up
        3
        Ā·
        5 months ago

        Yeah, but every dollar spent on repaving roads is a dollar that canā€™t be spent on lead pipes.

        I suppose the example Iā€™ve provided is flawed in a sense though. Probably a better example would be that an intersection gets torn up to replace pipes, but the local town council insists on using his brotherā€™s asphalt company. ā€œThey might cost twice as much for the repavong, but I promise, itā€™ll be higher qualityā€ kinda junk.

        • snooggums@midwest.social
          link
          fedilink
          English
          arrow-up
          4
          arrow-down
          1
          Ā·
          5 months ago

          Yes, your second example would be corruption because it is being used to intentionally benefit a specific purpose instead of the public.