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Slam dunkeeee…
So, according to the motion filed on the 1st of may, which is what I assume the tweet is referencing, I think there are two things of note.
1st: When cornered at the McDonald’s, the police questioned him about his name and requested his id, then proceeded to ask him a bunch of different questions regarding his identity, the validity of his id, wether he had lied about his name, and any travel to New York. They, at no point at the McDonald’s, ever read him his Miranda rights, even after informing him that he was under investigation and detaining him, even after one officer told the others to read him his rights.
2nd: They moved his backpack to another table before informing him he was under investigation. They did not have a warrant to search his backpack, and given that it was far beyond his reach, and he was handcuffed when they began searching it, there was no reason to suspect anything in it would have been dangerous to the officers on sight. They found a computer chip in the bag while he was still inside, and did not “find” the loaded gun until he was outside and being driven to the precinct. After “finding” the gun, the officer searching the bag stated that they were searching it to make sure there “wasn’t a bomb or anything in here”. The motion I’m referencing suggests that this statement was a hasty attempt to justify the warrantless search post facto.
Defense attorneys claim that some of the body cam footage is missing including 20 seconds of when Mangione was being questioned by a police when an officer placed his hand over his body cam and the 11 minutes during which the backpack was transferred from the McDonalds to the Altoona Police Department Precinct. The motion goes on the state that once that officer’s body cam footage resumes, it shows her immediately re-opening and closing the backpack compartments she already searched and then opening the front compartment of the backpack “as if she was specifically looking for something. Instantly, she ‘found’ a handgun in the front compartment.”
As for the 2nd, the gun was only “found” after the body cam had been off for 11 minutes, and only at the police station.
No one will ever convince me that the weapon they “found” wasn’t drenched in Central Park pond water.
Or the trunk of a squad car
Or already in the evidence locker.
I’ve said from Day 1 that the entire arrest smelled like “accidentally” disabled body cams and planted evidence. The amount of shit they found him with was just too perfect to be real. This dude supposedly evaded a nationwide manhunt for an entire week, then got caught with the (easily disassembled) ghost gun and a hard copy of his manifesto?
You’re telling me this supposed criminal mastermind had an entire week to break apart and scatter his 3D printed gun, so it would never be traced back to him… And he didn’t? He chose to keep the entire thing in his backpack for cops to find?
And he had a manifesto in his bag ready to go, just in case he got caught? People who write manifestos do so because they expect to be caught, and want to make a statement. So why is this dude fleeing for an entire week before getting caught with his manifesto?
100%, shit smelled so dubious it was like a gleeful insult by the authorities against our intelligence.
Fuck the insurance CEOs and their ilk, and fuck the police.
Well, they need to have some plan to keep the peasants in line.
It always seemed odd to me that someone who could so calmly pull off the murder of the CEO in the manner it was done and just casually bike off would end up caught the way Luigi was.
Caught quick because the city has security cameras in every store? Feels plausible. Caught after a long search after deep investigation? Feels plausible.
Caught after just enough time for the public to start getting rowdy, but not enough to have tracked him down through an investigation? Caught with the supposed weapon on him? Just feels off.
If he avoided capture for the time that he did, he should have had some opportunities to ditch the gun.
Motive seems off too. As far as has been released publicly, he was never a customer of the insurance company.
Whole thing stinks.
How many trash cans are there in NYC? Over the course of a week he could have sprinkled a piece of that gun in each of the five Burroughs miles apart, but he just so happened to have it, still fully assembled, chilling in his bag. Apparently this “terrorist” took the time to write a whole manifesto but stopped planning after “gun goes bang” and just started wandering around and thus was so easy to catch.
I’ve walked through cow pastures that smelled better.
Edward Snowden has already said that facial recognition software is being widely used across America. They knew it was him and then planted the evidence. Government doesn’t want you to know they are constantly recording and tracking your movements. Big Tech sell them your location data.
Parallel construction
That is actually confirmed.
Body cam footage had they potential to save the cops from these kinds of things. But they vilified it so strongly that it won’t save her now.
Seems like a setup
I don’t know about you, but I’m getting some reasonable doubt of this accusation.🤔
FINALLY they’re starting to make clear that this poor kid was picked as a patsy/fall guy because the cops were about to get French Revolution’d for their blatant favoring of the wealthy and extended incompetence. JFC.
I think it’s not the cops who were scared, but other executives who have done just as much harm, the cops probably just wanted the executives to shut the fuck up.
Even without all the extra bullshit surrounding the case, and even back when I was a high school republican douchebag who hadn’t even voluntarily stayed home from church yet and still believed cops have our best interests in mind, I STILL would have said this sounds like complete bullshit and they planted evidence.
If it’s found that he didn’t do it, will he get less popular because then he’s not based anymore?
The defense doesn’t have to prove he didn’t do it. The prosecution has to prove beyond a reasonable doubt that he did. He can be found not guilty by a variety of mechanisms, still have factually done it, but because the prosecution couldn’t verifiably prove it, get released. He can still be a symbol either way.
Frankly if I were on a jury this would be enough alone. I could not vote guilty if I knew this had happened. That is more than enough Reasonable Doubt. Not that this jury is going to be able to deliberate or anything. They’re going to be bribed and or threatened so heavily that they’re going to convict no matter what.
I’d say maybe some would think less of him, but I think he’d still deserve support for getting railroaded.
My theory from the start is that they knew it was him, but found out via illegal means so they had to frame him some other way
Definitely. They’re claiming that a McDonald’s worker called the cops on a nondescript (well, kinda attractive) white guy? A hundred Luigis eat there every day, and the “Bartender that remembers someone from three days ago” is an artifact of cop dramas.
When I worked in fast food, I called the customers “wallets with feet”. Jeffrey Dahmer and Tim McVeigh could have come in together and I wouldn’t have noticed.
And risk getting the case thrown out over all the other ways they’re pushing their limits?
I doubt it.
Parallel Construction works if you can prove it by legal means. They wouldn’t have needed to risk getting the whole thing nullified if they didn’t bother with his Miranda Rights or getting caught planting evidence on him. Parallel Construction needs precision, and nothing NYPD is doing sounds precise in the slightest.
This is most likely the case. He may be able to beat that charge, but juries are notoriously stupid.
Yeah, of course.
I don’t think so, because then he’s an innocent person who was screwed over by the medical insurance industry, who then had his life derailed again in the name of “justice” for a dead insurance executive.
Enough people are thirsty for him that he can ride the notoriety and social cache for years, regardless. Of the people most into him, most don’t care that much for the judicial system regardless, so the court’s decision won’t matter that much.
His views are oddly right wing and I don’t think he’s the sort to lead a movement, so he’ll probably fade into obscurity in the general public.
If doing some real heavy lifting here. Assume “if” he didn’t do it the same things would be happening right now as if he had.
It was more of a hypothetical.
It should be the default assumption, even before all of the police fuckery was brought to light. He’s innocent until proven guilty.
If he did do it is the hypothetical, since nothing has been proven and there’s more and more evidence that makes it look like a frame job. Don’t take the police account at face value ever, they routinely lie to cover for misconduct.
I knew he was innocent!
I couldn’t find a source for all of this, specifically the lapse in bodycam footage or that the backpack was brought to the precinct prior to the search. Still, if what his lawyer alleges is true, it should be ruled as an illegal search.
Sources: https://gothamist.com/news/search-of-mcdonalds-backpack-illegal-in-unitedhealthcare-ceo-murder-case-defense-says https://www.cnn.com/2025/02/28/us/luigi-mangione-evidence-illegal-search/index.html
Oh, I updated the body text now. Forgot earlier!
