It’s just going to be crabs in a bucket until we all die, huh?
People are just going to get more and more fash, aren’t they?
EDIT: Thank you all for reminding me there are things to be hopeful for, and that organising and community are important.
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just came back from a protest with my org and it doesnt feel that way (thousands showed up)
Humanity is gonna make it. I think the whole humanity is selfish it’s evolutionary thing is wrong. Throughout history time and time again humanity has come together and made progress and I think it’ll happen again. All of this fascism is the empire dying. These are the death throes of global capitalism. It’s up to us to be ready with community hand in hand to pick up the pieces.
Yeah it’s gonna be unimaginable levels of suck and we are not all gonna make it and that’s absolutely horrible. But humanity can do this. I believe in us
Not only is it a lie that “humanity is inherently selfish, that’s just evolution,” but the exact opposite is the case. Arguably the primary reason that humanity became as successful as it did, evolutionarily speaking, is because of our capacity for cooperation.
(Just a side note, one doesn’t have to be an anarchist to appreciate Peter Kropotkin and Mutual Aid: A Factor of Evolution.)
I think the whole humanity is selfish it’s evolutionary thing is wrong. Throughout history time and time again humanity has come together and made progress and I think it’ll happen again.
I’m like a one-man army promoting A Paradise Built In Hell because she talks all about this. She even references US Military studies of the WWII strategic bombing campaigns being counterproductive because they galvanized the bombed populace. It is a great companion to the Shock Doctrine book.
The future is unpredictable.
Western liberal democracy, once touted as the pinnacle of governance, is starting to swing towards reactionary thinking and economic stagnancy as the realization that the easy looting of the past 40 years is coming to an end. - The world has entered a state of flux - Out of that, however, I’ve seen a change in peoples attitudes as they realize that politics is not something they can ignore. Consider this: our enemies are making it increasingly obvious just how evil they are. Every time the chuds get the warm fuzzies from the latest truly heinous world event, somewhere, people are starting to realize that their liberal understanding of the world is very very flawed. Previously, I thought we’d just barely carry the torch through an age of stability, remaining fringe weirdos clasping the stale arguments of last century’s class-conflict.
Now I think that actually, people will find their way to aligning with us as they scramble to higher ground trying to avoid drowning in fascism.
Modern life can be extremely isolating, and that isolation will become dangerous in a world that keeps going the way it is going. Make friends. Build support networks. As the tide rises we will find new comrades. Be ready to find islands of safety. Be ready to help pull people to safety.
Community is the real problem.
People don’t feel close to other people in modernised places. That makes it hard to organise collective action or sell collective messages.
Oh, you bring up an excellent point.
With rising fascism, has anyone else felt themselves grow more misanthropic? I’m not saying this is a good thing, but this is a personal problem I’m having…which logically means I don’t try to build any community where I can, even online.
This likely has cascading effects on society at large, because people then become more and more callous because they assume everyone is an asshole and……ohhhh look at that I’m describing the base and superstructure again.
Trump getting elected for the second time absolutely wrecked me, because (for me) it was the death of any last shreds of hope in the superstructure. It was my crossing of the Rubicon.
As one person, taking on the entire superstructure is not possible. The goal (for me) is to build a different superstructure, one dedicated to leftist values. I’m trying to devote energy almost exclusively to things that I can make a meaningful difference in, and that has meant finding and organizing like-minded people at a very small scale.
In that vein, I’ve been getting more plugged in to the DSA branch around here, and it has actually been super helpful for my misanthropy! There’s some stuff that I don’t necessarily think is a good use of time (e.g. electoralism, but tbf they focus on local stuff), but it is SO NICE to be around people who want to help and are doing something about it.
Unrelated to misanthropy, but regarding groups with mid politics:
There’s a spot in F.D. Signifier’s video on “hoteps” where he and a guest talk about their reluctance to condemn the movement as a whole, even though it has some bad politics, since they’re allies in organizing for black liberation. She says something like “if you don’t like their politics, just out-organize them!” And I think that’s the best attitude we can have on the left in general: don’t spend time talking bad about other orgs; work together where we can, set boundaries of acceptable behavior, and out-organize groups that have bad politics.
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Not misanthropic, but I’m feeling more hopeless toward people in the imperial core, especially the “middle class” treatlerites. The optimist in me says that all that’s needed is to activate the class consciousness in them and then a real revolution could happen. However I’m starting to give up hope as capitalism is just designed to deflect all alienation towards commodity consumption and imperialism is designed so that stopping the exploitation of the third world means less treats, which apparently is a huge deal breaker for all of them. . People get very uncomfortable whenever you broach those topics. The banality of it all also depresses me, as people still talk about whether AR is going to replace smartphones, or AI doing some bullshit in the future as it destroys the environment, and not whether we’ll ever get a society that can house and feed everyone.
All revolutionary potential seems deflected at this anti-elitism which is totally non-materialist and just about what the last podcast episode you listened to said to believe in.
Is this what a third worldist believes in? I think I am becoming one.
Doesn’t help that most people have decided to stop believing in germ theory, either. It’s hard to meet strangers when they’re all trying to kill you.
This.
While The Money has no trouble broadcasting its messaging ev. Ry. Where. to unprecedented effect
Build community. Support those who are doing the same
Community with who? A shitload of bigots and colonizers?
What’s the alternative? Shutting yourself off from the world until magically all the people around you have the correct politics? If I only associated with people that have zero bigotry in them I’d be talking to like 2 or 3 people IRL at most.
Definitely agree. Ideally you’d find people with your exact political opinions, but those folks will be few and far between.
We need a mass movement, and most folks don’t have correct politics. That means we need to work with people who don’t currently have correct politics, and educate them.
At this stage, that IS the work.
There is no revolution without mass organization, and building mass organization means bringing people on that don’t already agree with you.
They’ve isolated us and then angered as many as they could. They turned the media faucet on high, as to keep them scared anxious angry and isolated.
Don’t isolate. Get out and try to build community. Talk to people, organize eventually if you can. We can make a difference but it doesnt happen over night
Yeah I think the people saying organise are correct. I used to, but quit when I went back to school. I’ve been putting it off because I’ve been busy with my degree and my mental health, but I think I have to start doing something worthwhile with like-minded people again, or I’m going to get depressed by how things are headed.
JOIN AN ORG!!!
I think I might have to, yeah.
you gotta
Now is a great time to find ways to enjoy your life and spend it with the people you love. The future isn’t guaranteed but even in hard times the present can be beautiful
I don’t think we’re all fucked forever but it is gonna get way worse
idk, ive got some hope in me. putting yourself out there and doing positive things is a great way to unfuck your head
There is a possible inflection point with the democratization of military technology, drones, as they become more miniaturized. A lot hinges on the development of technology and how we collectively react as the climate crisis materializes.
Nah, the Fash can’t help betraying their own and that will cause a crisis that the fash can’t solve. Most people are opportunists and narrativists, when the fash cut down the narrative they’ll back us. Some because we offer a story, others out of fear. We just need to look like an option.
I think the future is very unpredictable and I find some hope in that when things seem inexplicably bleak.
I’m sure analogous dark periods in history also felt all-consuming to those that lived through them, and they were to those that died in them. I’m currently staying in the house of a brother of a member of the Dutch resistance who died in a concentration camp two days before it was liberated. He didn’t make it but his life story is humbling to me, and some of the people he helped escape did make it.
I’m not quite ready to give up just yet.
CHALLENGE for control of PLANET EARTH!
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