I’m trying to confirm whether or not there was an ICE arrest in my community. I think it is, but someone else online said that they had it confirmed that the agents were not from ICE, but they were unable to provide any hard evidence to corroborate that

I’m having trouble finding videos, but are they required to wear vests identifying themselves as ICE, or can they vary?

  • Jabril [none/use name]@hexbear.netEnglish
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    3 days ago

    From the videos I’ve seen lately, no they do not need to wear anything identifying themselves. I have seen several videos of plainclothes agents with no badges. Maybe they are supposed to but they don’t seem to be held to that

    • unmagical@lemmy.mlEnglish
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      3 days ago

      So “normal” looking people are hauling their fellow man away. Why should castle doctrine not apply in an instance otherwise indistinguishable from kidnapping?

      • Jabril [none/use name]@hexbear.netEnglish
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        3 days ago

        Well, for anyone who isn’t a citizen then it would be very easy to have murdering a government official be used against them. Maybe slightly less so for citizens but still a big risk, assuming you make it out alive. Typically they outnumber the people they are kidnapping and are likely all armed themselves.

        I mentioned it in another thread on the topic but the only real semblance of a viable strategy I can think of would be to have armed patrols like the Panthers had, and some kind of hotline for rapid response deployment. It would be very challenging to organize this, but I’ve seen some cases of people being de-arrested at protests recently by other protesters acting swiftly. I think I saw a report of an ICE kidnapping going that way too.

      • tocopherol [any]@hexbear.netEnglish
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        3 days ago

        I think technically it does. I wish I could remember who it was, but there was a case in the 60s or 70s where a Black Panther member shot a plain-clothes police officer that was attacking his comrade. The shooter got off without any charges because from his perspective he thought he was stopping an attack versus hindering an arrest. I can’t imagine any armed black person not getting riddled with bullets or charged with attempted murder if they did the same thing today.

        • anarchoilluminati [comrade/them]@hexbear.netEnglish
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          3 days ago

          At that time, if I remember correctly, Assault on a Police Officer was a misdemeanor but is now a felony so it’s also costlier to participate in that. They changed it because there were so many people fighting back then.

          So, try doing that now and you’ll get a felony if not terrorism charges. They learned their lesson from the Panthers, unfortunately.

    • ratboy [they/them]@hexbear.netOPEnglish
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      3 days ago

      Makes sense, why would they be held to any sort of standard? Ive heard some people speculate that some of these arrests are probably just proud boys or some shit like that which I wouldn’t doubt for a second and is even scarier.