• Fondots@lemmy.world
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    7 days ago

    “there are fewer opportunities for foldable cycles to be converted into e-bikes using conversion kits, due to their specific shape, size and mechanical constraints.”

    At least a partial answer is in the article for those who didn’t bother to read it.

    That makes some sense to me, I suspect a lot of e bike fires involve DIY kits and homebrewed, cobbled-together Franken-bikes. There’s a lot of shady companies out there selling e bike parts and kits that I don’t think are safe to begin with, and I don’t particularly trust the average joe to fuck around with a big battery pack from a fly-by-night website.

    And there are less conversion kits readily available for folding bikes, you can almost assume that a folding e bike probably came that way from the factory.

    You can differentiate a folding bike from a regular one pretty easily at a glance. To determine if an e bike is stock or a conversation you’d probably need to have someone actually check out each e bike individually.

    So in part, it’s more of an end-run around banning DIY e bikes without needing to individually verify whether each bike is a conversion or not.

    But I do have another thought on the matter.

    I don’t know what the trains are like in London, I’ve never been, but I can’t imagine they’re totally dissimilar from other trains that I have been on. Full-sized bikes are kind of unwieldy. They can block up aisles and get in the way. Folding bikes fold, so that’s less of an issue. If there’s a fire on the train, I wouldn’t want to have to scramble around a bike in the aisle to get out, and if the fire is the bike that’s even worse. Folding bikes are more compact, easier to get around, and if it comes to it, easier to pick up and throw off the train where a bigger bike might get kind of caught up on seats, poles, and other passengers as you try to pick it up and carry it to the door in a panic.

    Not saying that this is necessarily the right move (nor the wrong one) just that I can understand how some bean counters, lawyers, and insurance companies could come up with this.

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      7 days ago

      And there are less conversion kits readily available for folding bikes, you can almost assume that a folding e bike probably came that way from the factory.

      I did some research a while ago: There are a lot of conversion kits around for foldings bikes. Most kits are just replacing your front tire with a motor hub and that is of course also available for 16" or 20" wheels. AliExpress is full of them. Amazon has them. A ban on unsafe electric devices would be the more sensible way.

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        6 days ago

        They’re definitely out there, but folding bikes are somewhat less standardized than full-sized bikes so it’s a bit harder to guarantee that you’ll have a good place to mount the batteries, run the wires, etc and still be able to fold the bike properly.

        And anecdotally I see far less folding bikes and even less folding conversions around me. Maybe (probably) they’re more common in London than in a semi-rural American suburb like where I live, but I suspect by overall numbers there’s probably still less folding bikes (electric or otherwise) than full-sized bikes. From a numbers perspective, are you more concerned about the fire risk of say 1 folding e bike, or 100 non-fording e bikes?

        Yes, most ideally it would just be a ban on unsafe electronics, but you run into an issue with enforcement. Are they going to have mandatory safety inspections, approved vendors and installers, a list of safe models, etc. and check that every e bike that passes through checks out? Sounds like kind of a nightmare to implement. Probably easier to just accept the smaller risk due to smaller numbers of folding bikes and blanket ban regular ebikes.

        Also, I don’t know the situation in London, but a fair amount of non-folding e bikes around me seem more like underpowered electric motorcycles with token pedals than traditional bikes, bigger, heavier, fat tires, really not well-suited to taking on the subway. If that style is common over there too, this kind of has the added advantage of keeping them out too.