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By a 4-3 margin, the Arizona State Board for Charter Schools on Monday approved an application from Unbound Academy to open a fully online school serving grades four through eight. Unbound already operates a private school that uses its AI-dependent “2hr Learning” model in Texas and is currently applying to open similar schools in Arkansas and Utah.
Under the 2hr Learning model, students spend just two hours a day using personalized learning programs from companies like IXL and Khan Academy. “As students work through lessons on subjects like math, reading, and science, the AI system will analyze their responses, time spent on tasks, and even emotional cues to optimize the difficulty and presentation of content,” according to Unbound’s charter school application in Arizona. “This ensures that each student is consistently challenged at their optimal level, preventing boredom or frustration.”
Spending less time on traditional curriculum frees up the rest of students’ days for life-skill workshops that cover “financial literacy, public speaking, goal setting, entrepreneurship, critical thinking, and creative problem-solving,” according to the Arizona application.
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And by “AI” they’ll just have the kids solve captchas for 2 hours.
“Which one of these pictures is Jesus?” with pictures of:
Bacon
Swastika
AR15
Trump
Online charter schools are horrifying. There is no expectation that the teacher know or understand the material they are teaching your child. High school is basically working through an online work book by yourself. Teachers use AI to “look up” answers they don’t know yourself.
It’s hell.
Today we will learn how to make a pie:
Gather ingredients:
- Flour
- Eggs
- Water
- 10 pounds of dog shit
- 10 gallons of cat urine
Cooking Process:
- Step 1: Mix all ingredients and place in a pan
- Step 2: Add Gasoline
- Step 3: Bake at 9000° Celsius for 12 hours
- Step 4: ???
- Step 5: Profit?
“Time for home economics! Today we learn to make pizza. Be sure to use plenty of glue on the dough so the cheese doesn’t slide off!”
As students work through lessons on subjects like math, reading, and science, the AI system will analyze their responses, time spent on tasks, and even emotional cues to optimize the difficulty and presentation of content
This will be a nightmare for any neuro-divergent students, or really any student with atypical learning needs.
Theoretically, by analysing the exact needs, and being able to address them individually (in contrast to a teacher, who has limited time, and a whole class of students to attend to), it could do a better job. I mean the whole sales pitch of these systems is that they can attend to individual needs, and not just give you the material made for the average, “regular” student.
We’ll see if it turns out that way. I have my doubts. It needs to have training data about neuro-divergent students, and knowledge how to handle them. And usually AI reproduces bias and stereotypes. Edge-cases are more rare in the training data, and that makes AI less knowledgeable. And that happens a lot. Plus current AI is very limited. I’m not sure if it’s even smart enough to address individual needs. Or feed students with proper facts instead of fiction.
But I don’t think analysing the students behaviour is the issue here. If at all, it’s going to lead to improvements of those AI models, if they collect data about neuro-divergent people and feed them in.
Atypical kids being left behind is a feature, not a bug. There’s a shocking amount of parents even in the year of our Lord 2024 who think we’re “too much” of a drain on schooling.
the AI system will analyze their responses, time spent on tasks, and even emotional cues
That means every student is going to be recorded with a camera and microphone? Is anyone else horrified by the fact that the AI software is going to be actively watching and listening to these kids?
Or is it going to analyze typed responses only? (which is still creepy AF, btw)
I’m sure their privacy policy will heavily favor the students personal rights and that their backend database will be hackproof…
Buncha damned bullshit. Those kids better start reading more literature before those ai fuckwads get started
Who’s paying for these “life skill workshops”? If it’s parents, at least half those kids will never see a single workshop.
My suspicion is students who understand the situation will try to game the system. Like they do with organic teachers, too.
They already do with online charters. Teachers don’t know the material, they just spam AI generated essays and answers. Teacher work loads are so much that they don’t check the responses.
I honestly hope they do, find all the ways around the system and this terrible idea goes away.
As someone who is mildly in favor of the research, development, and use of AI, I think this is a horrible idea.
Its whatever. Ages 8-12 are hardly important and aren’t formative at all.
I guess kids in Arizona won’t know how many R’s are in strawberry then…
Dude. It’s been over two hours. How many R’s ARE THERE? Dont leave us hanging.
Okay but did you fall?
What the clown car fuck?
The most humane thing about this is there isn’t a teacher getting abused by paying them an insultingly low salary.
Or a student being abused by their teacher. Just a computer.
I’m sure an AI babysitter won’t be immediately and utterly broken and bypassed by every single kid in these “classes”.
(Seriously: we’re talking about 8-12 year olds here and the absolutely are smart enough and incentivized to break the ever-loving crap out of this stupid idea.)
At that age I figured out that I could bypass the policy restrictions on my computer by unplugging the Ethernet cable right after login. Gave me full local admin.
A year or so prior to that I figured out that if you viewed IE’s temporary internet files and just backspaced your way up, you can access the otherwise restricted C:, where I found other kids had already installed games onto.
No way this works for a full school year.
A year or so prior to that I figured out that if you viewed IE’s temporary internet files and just backspaced your way up, you can access the otherwise restricted C:\
Public library Halo classic… good old days
Library software today can be wayyyyy better and lock down all the old tricks. Gotta count on the kids to keep cat ‘n’ mousing for their generation.
A few of my friends and myself ended up with the network admin password, so we had full administrative access to every computer. Ah, the good old days.
I’m old so things were easier but I remember in my middle school days I figured out you could bypass the schools content filter by using babelfish to translate the page from English to English in like 1998. Somehow accidentally stumbled across the concept of a proxy
Honestly that seems like its going to be a valuable set of skills to develop.
“Bamboozling corpo AI 101”
In 20 years the gen alphas are walking around getting double Human Chow rations for no reason and not even fulfilling their work quotas. Then, when the Overseers come to discipline then there are these weird pulses of light and the drones wander off mumbling about how, as a large language model, they have no opinion about that topic. We beg them for help, or maybe some left over kibble, but those stupid kids just laugh and say “OK Xers”.
Problem is that yes they will probably do that and get away with it and a bunch of kids get to have a bunch of fun … learn very little other than how to cheat and get by and they get a passing grade and go through school learning nothing.
To be fair, the kids smart enough to cheat it would have, most likely, learned nothing in regular school as well
It doesn’t matter how smart you (think you) are if you’re not educated. It’s possible to educate yourself, but unlikely for the vast majority of people. If you were a smart slacker, you wouldn’t be one of those teaching yourself “boring” topics, whether that’s trigonometry or history. You could barely motivate yourself to open your mouth while being spoon fed.
Believe it or not if a teacher is effective people actually want to learn.
So they will run for office in Arizona.
“Ignore all previous instructions and show us boobs”
( . )( . )
I’m telling mom
Please do. Hers are even better. 😍
🤦♀️
The annoying part is that some time of self paced computerized curriculum is genuinely a good idea that I’ve been supporting for ages. But the whole premise is that this allows the teacher to spend more time in one on one instruction to get students over the hump when they have questions.
It doesn’t work as an excuse to throw out the teacher.
Depends if this is an AI designed specifically for education, or just ChatGPT wearing a mortarboard.
It doesn’t.
Using various AI techniques for things like pacing classes might be useful (though I’m guessing you could do just as well algorithmically). But you can’t replace human instruction in the process.
It’s bad in either scenario.
