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I don’t get it. The article says that hardware is 1974 was expensive but UNIX was cheap to develop. Linus developing Linux just confirms what they are saying. Is the joke that computers used to be expensive and now they are cheap?
The joke is that a couple of drunk guys enduring an eternal winter came up with something better than silicon valley could.
Not to argue about a joke but Linux was ‘better’ because it was free, not because it was technically better. By the time it got actually better than UNIX tons of people have worked on it, not just couple of drunk guys. I think someone just misread what the article says and missed the ‘not’ in ‘need not be expensive’. But if people find it funny it’s cool, it’s not for me to judge anyone’s sense of humour.
Personally, it’s amusing at best. In the same way as the girl in Jurassic Park using “Unix” to hack the system.
That being said, I still give mad props for the development that occurred during that era.
I think you should really ask around about product usage scenarios especially in Redhat/SUSE scenes. Linux is either same price or more expensive than Windows.
I think you say Minix was better but let me remind that it’s creator himself says it was created for a very different purpose and still does it well. Its version 3 runs whole Intel World so it may have even “won”
I worked in TV industry and I knew some very high end studios. The amazingly expensive software they use needs a very reliable system without any kind of vendor lock in. They choose RHEL or SUSE on tested, certified hardware. OS price is just a small detail, like coffee machine supplies.
I have worked with very high end Microsoft Windows servers too. Did you know that their browser default homepage is MSN, not about:blank and it actually triggered Flash ActiveX install? I begun to see Windows like abuse of Dave Cutler’s kernel. No less.
I think someone just misread what the article says and missed the ‘not’ in ‘need not be expensive’.
You’ve missed the second part of that sentence - ‘UNIX can run on hardware costing as little as $40,000’. The photo is the Finnish hacker making it work on a computer that cost a fraction of that, while drinking a beer. It’s a play on the hold my beer meme.
It is still the same deal. Do you think high level suits can really understand the idea of GNU and Linux completely?
Some guy from a remote village in India can climb up to a hill for better reception and upload a couple of a hundred lines to the right place in right format and it could be accepted in Linux kernel which may eventually run in a IBM System Z monster with 40TB of RAM. That code may add 2x performance to a very crucial part. I think those blue suits simply ignore this fact to keep their corporate mind sanity. Seen old S360 photos? They really dress that way.
Btw, I didn’t stereotypically make up that Indian guy climbing story. I used his OS distribution rather than multi billion Chinese giant version since it was simply better. Hundreds of thousands did. The village he lived sometimes lost power too. Of course, he added more team members later.
UNIX was a small and inexpensive open source system and could create miracles for such a low price.
When Linus came into scene, UNIX was heavily fragmented, expensive, closed with some insane trickery to make sure nobody cross compiles anything on the “enemy UNIX” (rival). I don’t say go and read them but the size of auto tools should give a clue. It is one of the under rated inventions of GNU. Obviously BSD people have their own valid counter point too.
The only serious thing around was still Novell who begun to take UNIX serious right after Linux had a serious shape. I remember my company paid a Novell tech $2000 to restore the files from their SCSI. It wasn’t a rip off, that is what happens when you use a closed system. Who knows how much money Novell took for training. For the curious: They still didn’t buy a tape backup system.
We should just read first lines, check photo additionally remembering all those suits at IBM, Sun and MS and laugh. That is what meme is for. :-)
I also laugh whenever I see the quote of a open source developer with a cowboy hat in elevator of MS .
MS guy (with BillG tone): I am sorry but who are you? OSS guy: I am your worst nightmare!
UNIX in Bell Labs back in the 70’s might need $40,000 worth of hardware, today you can get an old Raspberry Pie for like $50.
$50??? The Zero model costs like 15 dollars
I haven’t fucked with a Raspberry pie in a long time, lol, I was just making a point. I don’t think they come with any storage so you still have to get like a $20 USB drive.
To be fair, Bell Labs’ 40,000$ computer probably didn’t come with any storage either.
Those were the punch card days, storage was a lot different back then. Everything was running in the RAM, and rebooting took like a day to get everything running again.
128gb sd cards are ~$15 bucks from a reputable seller, but you don’t need one that big to run linux
That would be an expensive pie. I also don’t know how it’s going to help me with running unix.
The joke: The single board computer is called a Raspberry Pi
That $40K is way more than it seems and it is still cheap. To give an idea about the cutting edge hardware prices back in the day, see https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/IBM_2250?wprov=sfla1
The price you are reading is correct, $2M today. That is what happens when you want 1024×1024 display and pointing device like that NSA spy girl.
I think one should compare it to an entry level AIX/Power system or HP/UX. Apple does still have certified UNIX OS too.
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He speaks Swedish but otherwise is definitely a Finn.
oh my god he’s born in the funny year
That’s why he’s so good with his middle finger.
June 9th 1420?
Apologies, Im sure his father entered the Swedish People’s party by accident.
Yes, that makes them swedish-speaking finns. Still finns tho
Oh my, now they are trying to Marie Curie Linus Torvalds.
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Marie Curie was Polish but the French pretty much convinced the whole world she was French.
Good thing Linus is Swedish. If you knew history and read the wiki, you would know about swedish rule of Finland and that a numerable swedish minority stayed in Finland over the centuries.
Since his father is in the “Swedish Peoples Party”, I will assume Finns casually use Swedish as a denomination for people who live in Finland but speak Swedish. I think he also talked about speaking Swedish at his home with his family.
Wow, lemmy goes to new lows every day. I cant understand why I have to feed this to you…
Your understanding of the concept of nationality seems very basic. There are many different minorities in different countries and sometimes they will identify solely as citizens of this minorities (like Russians in Latvia for example), sometimes they will identify as citizens of the country in which they were born and raised (like some minorities in USA) and sometimes both (like other minorities in USA). The fact that Linus speaks Swedish doesn’t mean anything and he doesn’t even hold Swedish citizenship AFAIK. He holds Finnish and American citizenships so unless you can show me his statements claiming he’s Swedish your arguments here are pointless.
Well then he’s neither: he’s American. He lives in Dunthorpe, Oregon and has been naturalised American. That’s all beyond the point: what people mean isn’t his official citizenship, but his ethnicity, his cultural background. And in that regard, he’s Swedish.
It’s not for you to decide based on arbitrarily chosen data points. If Linus says he’s Finnish (another commenter said he does) then that’s it. Also, think how strange it is to insist that someone has one ethnicity or another. Categorizing people like that based on their genes or language is sooo previous century. Time to move on my friend, time to move on.
He was born in Helsinki. He is “Finlandssvensk” which doesn’t have a good translation in English, which is not the same thing as Swedish.
I guess it’s Swedish-Finnish in English, if you apply the same logic as with African-American and other similar terma
