I’ve never been a fan of the UEFI logo inserting itself into the boot screen. It’s basically just an advertisement for the hardware vendor because they’re jealous of the OS having the spotlight. And it’s an ad that, like so many other ads before it, screws over the security and privacy of the advertisee because fuck you that’s why.
I don’t know. It looks more aesthetically consistent. Your computer has to display something. Average users would be scared if it dumped logs on the display. so the vendor logo makes sense. It COULD just say loading, but this is a bit pedantic I think.
When it comes to security, particularly at boot time, fuck the user. Users don’t interact with devices at boot time so it doesn’t matter if it shows a blank screen, a mile of logs or a screaming clown penis. If it was up to users no device or service would have a password or security of any kind, and every byte of information about your life would be owned by 'The Cloud." Let the marketing wanks insert their logo into the Windows boot process,
Tell me more about this screaming clown penis option…
You gotta hold ctrl alt shift honk at power up.
I want to insert my own logo into the boot process, and I want these ducking vendors to properly validate and assess their mother ducking software. But nooo, penetration tests and any remediations are too expensive for these pieces of bit. Why do it when you can just stick your dick in everyone’s face, right?
Fuck.
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With BIOS, it goes “Motherboard Logo -> OS Logo”
With UEFI, it goes “Motherboard Logo -> Motherboard Logo”
Sure, it’s more consistent, but the alternative is not user unfriendly, the only people it’s unfriendly to is the marketing wankers at Dell, Lenovo, Acer, etc.
There are several ways to exploit LogoFAIL. Remote attacks work by first exploiting an unpatched vulnerability in a browser, media player, or other app and using the administrative control gained to replace the legitimate logo image processed early in the boot process with an identical-looking one that exploits a parser flaw. The other way is to gain brief access to a vulnerable device while it’s unlocked and replace the legitimate image file with a malicious one.
In short, the adversary requires elevated access to replace a file on the EFI partition. In this case, you should consider the machine compromised with or without this flaw.
You weren’t hoping that Secure Boot saves your ass, were you?
Since the EFI partition is unencrypted, physical access would do the trick here too, even with every firmware/software security measure.
True, but this was the case without this finding, wasn’t it? With write access to the EFI you could replace the boot loader and do whatever you please.
Unless a proper secure boot + FDE setup is in place.
The idea is also that a compromised system will remains compromised after all storage drives are removed.
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Yeah, if someone has write access to your boot partition then you’re kind of already screwed.
The worst part it persists through reinstalls (if i understood correctly)
This is also my understanding, at least of you keep the EFI partition.
It can outlast those too.
In many of these cases, however, it’s still possible to run a software tool freely available from the IBV or device vendor website that reflashes the firmware from the OS. To pass security checks, the tool installs the same cryptographically signed UEFI firmware already in use, with only the logo image, which doesn’t require a valid digital signature, changed.
Boy do I love the future.
So if I have my computer set that it needs a sudo password for most changes am I good?
Yes, that’s my understanding. A normal user cannot do this. (And of course, an attacker shouldn’t not control a local user in the first place.)
Physical access is also a risk, but physical access trumps everything.
Thanks for the answer. Unless my dog learns how to code I think I’m safe from anyone getting physical access
As a hacker imma start teaching dogs to code as part of my breakin process, sorry bud
Unless they find another way to escalate privileges… A bug, a random binary with suid, etc
We need more machines that support coreboot. These proprietary firmware vendors have been getting rich off making our machines worse for too long.
i use coreboot but i’d prefer libreboot if a gaming level system with linux supported it. Are their any? I ask to the masses, not you specifically lol
A flashed Chromebook is an accessible option
Did anyone really think that making UEFI systems the equivalent of a mini OS was a good idea? Or having them be accessible to the proper OS? Was there really no pushback, when UEFI was being standardized, to say “images that an OS can write to are not critical to initializing hardware functionality, don’t include that”? Was that question not asked for every single piece of functionality in the standard?
Did anyone really think that making UEFI systems the equivalent of a mini OS was a good idea
UEFI and Secure Boot were pushed forcibly by MS. That’s why FAT32 is the ESP filesystem.
If I had to guess, a brief was drafted at MS to improve on BIOS, which is pretty shit, it has to be said. It was probably engineering led and not an embrace, extinguish thing. A budget and dev team and a crack team of lawyers would have been whistled up and given a couple of years to deliver. The other usual suspects (Intel and co) would be strong armed in to take whatever was produced and off we trot. No doubt the best and brightest would have been employed but they only had a couple of years and they were only a few people.
UEFI and its flaws are testament to the sheer arrogance of a huge company that thinks it can put a man on the moon with a Clapham omnibus style budget and approach. Management identify a snag and say “fiat” (let it be). Well it was and is and it has a few problems.
The fundamental problem with UEFI is it was largely designed by one team. The wikipedia page: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/UEFI is hilarious in describing it as open. Yes it is open … per se … provided you decide that FAT32 (patent encumbered) is a suitable file system for the foundations of an open standard.
I love open, me.
UEFI is flawed for sure, but there’s no way that any remaining patents on FAT32 haven’t expired by now.
You may be surprised to learn that they didn’t all run out until 2013. UEFI had been around for 7 years by this time, and Microsoft was doing patent enforcement actions against Tom Tom during this time period.
Sure, they’re expired now, but not at the time. It was supposed to be an open standard at the time.
Why software patents are a leech on software development: exhibit number 4,294,967,295.
It breaks the cardinal rule of executing privileged code: Only code that absolutely needs to be privilaged should be privileged.
If they really wanted to have their logo in the boot screen, why can’t they just provide the image to the OS and request through some API that they display it? The UEFI and OS do a ton of back and fourth communication at boot so why can’t this be apart of that? (It’s not because then the OS and by extension the user can much more easily refuse to display what is essentially an ad for the hardware vendor right? They’d never put “features” in privileged code just to stop the user from doing anything about it… right?)
Yes.
The article didn’t mention this, but would disabling the UEFI logo in the boot screen mitigate the vulnerability until proper patches get rolled out? (Or honestly at this point, I’d keep it disabled even after it’s patched in case they didn’t patch it right. UEFI’s are all proprietary so it’s not like you can check.) Since the vulnerability is in the image parser, would bypassing that be enough?
Do they even let you disable it?
coreboot exists
is it common practice to have a web browser or media player running with elevated permissions? seems like a strange thing to do…
Very unlikely unless there is an elevated privilege exploit to use alongside this
Fyi if someone had physical access / administration access due to another vulnerability to your machine they can exploit it, news at 11:00
Would resetting bios clear this?
More like reflashing entirely or just changing the image. Alternatively, you can often disable showing the.logo somewhere in the settings.
What’s known as resetting bios is more like removing the stuff saved in CMOS, AFAIK
Most fastboot options dont show the logo until windows bootloader comes along.
Though i am not sure how or why the logo is displayed when windows loads? Is that the same image? Loaded and displayed again or just didnt clear the display?Loaded and displayed again, yes. It is stored in the BGRT table.
I may be wrong, but does it mean that if someone is able to modify my uefi - they would be able to inject virus in booting image?
Yes, that is exactly the implication
So I don’t get it, I have my entire boot image in a signed EFI binary, the logo is in there as well. I don’t think I’m susceptible to this, right? I don’t think systemd-boot or the kernel reads an unsigned logo file anywhere. (Using secure boot)
This is way before reaching your bootloader. It’s about the manufacturer logo that’s displayed by UEFI while doing the whole hardware initialization.
That’s… Stored in the EFI partition or changeable in userspace?
Depending on how the UEFI is configured, a simple copy/paste command, executed either by the malicious image or with physical access, is in many cases all that’s required to place the malicious image into what’s known as the ESP, short for EFI System Partition, a region of the hard drive that stores boot loaders, kernel images, and any device drivers, system utilities, or other data files needed before the main OS loads.
(from the article)
Right, I know EFI images are stored in the EFI partition, but with secure boot, only signed images can be executed, so they’d need to steal someone’s signing key to do this.
I wonder if this effects coreboot builds like heads as they allow you to use external devices like a nitrokey for verification when you boot
Is this potentially useful to me? Since it is persistent, can I use it on this motherboard I have over here that insists on using UEFI even if I do not want to?
Hello I am writing the firmware for MotherBoard 2021, a definitely completely different product than MotherBoard 2020, I am going to ship in in 2 weeks for Christmas, and I am going to write an image decoder on top of bare metal, and it is “not” going to let you hack the pants off the computer.
Said no one ever.
As its name suggests, LogoFAIL involves logos, specifically those of the hardware seller that are displayed on the device screen early in the boot process, while the UEFI is still running.
Me using an old PC with BIOS instead of UEFI: 😏
Also known as using a pc with unpatched cpu vulnerabilities
gigachads use
mitigations=offanywaysMakes it go fast
BIOS booting stays winning
damn 😱
Don’t panic!
