What it won’t solve is the color of bubbles in iMessage, which marks Android users with green messages instead of blue and has led to a rash of teen bullying.
This is both cruel and asinine, meaning it’s probably true. I’m wishing for karma in these situations.
green messages instead of blue and has led to a rash of teen bullying.
Why is this asssertion always second hand. Is there really any such bullying?
I only know my kids:
- had to be told why there is sometimes a different color
- mainly use other chat tools like WhatsApp (yes, we’re in the US)
This really seems like a non-issue made up and kept alive in the media
I just remember being a stupid, petty teenager. It could be bullshit, but I wouldn’t be surprised if it was true.
My take on this is simple.
All that Money, Apple used what i can only presume to be mountainous sums of money to lawyers…to do a “miss me with that regulation”
dont forget to round up for charity on your next purchase from a multi million dollar company
I guess “multi million” is an insult for apple
I mean, they kind of are a smaller player in Europe. At least where I live, no one actually uses iMessage, and that’s probably what they’re basing their defence upon (contrary to USA where you have that whole iMessage buble crap)
Seems like the EU is the only major entity actually making an effort these days.
I haven’t heard of anyone using it so bit of a who cares situation
If EU imessage usage were as widespread as in US it would definitely be subject to regulation. Such a shame.
In the EU and most other parts of the world, the dominant messaging platform is WhatsApp, and with the Digital Market Act’s focus on business usage, not general consumers, iMessage will just squeak by.
Sounds more like this is just how the reg is written more than a “dodge”.
It’s equivalent to saying they’re dodging the spirit of the law by finagling the letter of the law.
No one uses iMessage in Europe anyway. I don’t know anyone who uses this in any significant capacity.
From the original article
EU tentatively finds it doesn’t warrant being covered by DMA
So it’s not set in stone yet.
it isn’t popular enough because it’s not open enough… maybe apple reads between the line here :) (not that I care… nobody I know uses it.)
Kind of a mixed bag.
Hopefully they can dodge RCS too, because it’s a poor solution. Worse, Apple’s implementation of RCS doesn’t include E2E encryption.
Edit: RCS limits attaments to 100mb! What the hell, why? I can, today, send 100mb over SMS/MMS, on Verizon, to other Verizon phones. RCS would be a step backward.
I don’t really care about iMessage, Android is my primary device, and SMS sucks, and most people use SMS because Android, and I prefer to use other apps (especially on my iOS devices).
IMessage has its own insecurities, despite what people think. There’s a recent publication about it while it uses AES to encrypt the message, the encrypted message and the AES key are packaged together with the RSA key…which never changes. So if you get someone’s RSA key, you can decrypt all their messages, old ones, new ones, ALL of them.
So if they can dodge it, this keeps the pressure toward third-party apps with proper encryption, that isn’t tied to your IMEI, Google or Apple accounts.
And this is what governments fear the most - they peoe will use apps like Signal, where not even the metadata is easily accessible or useful even if you could access it.
Here’s just one well written example of what’s wrong with RCS: https://www.reddit.com/r/UniversalProfile/comments/11b6fyd/ugh_rcs_really_does_stink/
The text of that post:
After 3 months of using RCS with Jibe, I have decided to turn RCS off due to it’s instability, unreliability, and lack of standardization. Sometimes, I’d send an RCS message and it wouldn’t go through, and sometimes someone would send me a message via RCS, and I wouldn’t get it.
In some RCS group chats, I would only see half the conversation because some people would send messages in the group chat, and I wouldn’t get them. You know what, I could list off RCS problems for 48 hours without stopping, but that would be a waist of time. The point is RCS is buggy, and doesn’t work. The Cross Carrier Messaging Initiative already failed, so there is absolutely no way RCS will ever be able to replace SMS. This, along with RCS’s bugs, is the reason why RCS will only be good enough to be a broken and unreliable iMessage for Android. Without the carriers, there is no way RCS will ever become a standard, and I don’t think Apple will ever adopt RCS because of the stupid decisions of carriers, Google, and smartphone manufacturers.
The whole reason I started using RCS was because I wanted to support it, not because I actually liked it. Now, there is no reason to support RCS because it is a broken messaging system, and will never become a standard. Android is extremely fragmented, and it will continue to be fragmented for a very, very long time
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Perhaps the the EU should be looking at a forced divestment of Jibe?
That as anecdotal as me saying it works fine for me. I haven’t encountered any of the issues you quoted.
But overall I disagree that abandoning RCS to keep pushing for 3rd party apps is the correct path. How’s that been going for the last decade? SMS is the only common platform between all the people I know. If there are issues with RCS they need to fixed.
This. I’ve been using RCS for nearly 3 years, starting as soon as it was released (even going as far as to trick the messages app into letting me into the pre-release rollout), and have never had any issues with it other than when one of my friends switched over to an iPhone (and in fairness, iMessage has the same issues if you don’t deassociate your phone number)
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RCS limits attaments to 100mb
Does it say so in the specification or is that the limit of a single RCS provider? How does sending files even work in RCS?
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And why should it? It’s a proprietary system on a single platform, what right does the EU (or anyone) have to demand that it be anything more than that?
You wanna sell in europe you obey europe’s standards and regulations
The same right the EU has to enforce standards in money, electrical plugs, data protection or food safety. Does your country not have laws on what products can and cannot be sold within its borders?
The only common messaging protocol is SMS, and iMessage supports that
If RCS becomes a generally supported standard (ie not just Google), then it would be fair to require Apple to support that, as one of many.
It really seems like the focus on Apple is just a distraction from the larger effort of trying to implement a new standard
Apple doesn’t have a god-given right to sell their stuff everywhere. If you’re in [area], you abide by [area] rules. It’s that simple.
Sovereignty
